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florin83
post Apr 18 2006, 05:26 PM
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si-a pus cineva azot in cauciucuri?

mi-am pus si eu azi odata cu schimbarea cauciucurilor (195/50/15)..

masina a deventi mult mai rigida.. am fost de la victoriei pana in herastrau si a trebuit sa merg cu 30-40km/h ca m-a rupt. imi clantaneau dintii in gura de cat de rigida e, desi n-am suspensie sport..
am mai mers acum o sapt cu un prieten cu un 325 E46 sa-si scota azotul din roti din cazua rigiditatii asta.. eu am crezut ca e el nebun, dar am mers si eu cu masina si era rupere. are si suspensie sport (packet M)...

la voi cum e?
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post Apr 19 2006, 01:56 PM
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Un lucru care l-am observat: am pus azot in rotile de vara la inceputul verii trecute, iarna le-am pus la pastrare si acum 3 saptamani le-am pus din nou pe masina si le-am verificat presiunea si nu au fost pierderi semnificative.(0.1)


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post Apr 19 2006, 11:26 PM
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principalul atu al azotului pentru cauciucuri este acela ca nu este afectat de schimbarile de temperatura, deci presiunea in roti ramine aproape constanta tot timpul anului si in orice conditii.


Fizica e de alta parere ...

O remarca, gresita dar frecventa, legata de azot este ca anvelopele umplute cu acest gaz si-ar schimba mai putin presiunea in functie de temperatura. Adica ca azotul ar fi mai putin dependent de temperatura.

FALS.
Toate gazele se supun legii Gay Lussac : La un volum constant presiunea si temperatura absoluta a unui gaz sint direct proportionale.
Deci nu conteaza gazul, poate fi aer, heliu, azot, toate au aceeasi variatie de presiune in functie de temperatura.

Daca la 20 grade C avem 2 atm., la 40 grade C presiunea va fi :
2 atm. x ( 313K/293K) = 2.13 atm
Presiune creste cu 0.13 atmosfere
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post Apr 20 2006, 10:04 AM
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paul are dreptate, pt cine nu crede sa verifice manualul de clasa a 11-a de fizica wink.gif
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post Apr 20 2006, 10:21 AM
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Si eu tind sa-i dau dreptate lu Paul, cu o observatie legata de calculul facut:
presiunea din formula trebuia sa fie 3 atm (2 atm in cauciuc diferenta fata de presiunea atmosferica, plus o atmosfera) Oricum, ideea e aceeasi.

Cine demonstreaza ca azotul are caldura specifica mai mare decat aerul?

Chiar daca s-ar demonstra lucrul asta, dupa o perioada suficient de mare de timp, temperaturile pneu aer vs pneu azot se egalizeaza, avantaje putand sa apara doar la burn-uri (fie ca sunt pe accelerare fie pe franare) cand temperatura cauciucului creste brusc si apoi scade repejor.


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post Apr 20 2006, 10:25 AM
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Aaaaaa deci e bun la cercuri? biggrin.gif :unibrow:
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post Apr 20 2006, 10:27 AM
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Daca azotul are caldura specifica mai mare decat aerul la ~3 atm, da.


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post Apr 20 2006, 10:30 AM
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uite ca asta n-o stiu sigur, dar traiam cu impresia asta...


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post Jun 20 2006, 11:03 PM
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eu stiu k si pneurile de formula 1 sunt umplute cu azot tot din cauza faptului ca nu isi schimba volumul la diferente de temperatura.


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post Jun 23 2006, 11:54 PM
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eu stiu k si pneurile de formula 1 sunt umplute cu azot tot din cauza faptului ca nu isi schimba volumul la diferente de temperatura.

Nu confunda stiinta cu credinta biggrin.gif
Ai cam chiulit la fizica smile.gif
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post Jun 24 2006, 01:02 AM
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nu ... doar k nu prea am trecut pe la ea laugh.gif


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