 Schimbare diferential open cu unul LSD |
 Feb 28 2006, 08:28 PM
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Intrebarea e in primul rand pt E36, dar se poate extinde la toate modelele..
Ma intereasa pareri, fapte de opinie, link-uri.. orice informatie care sa ma lumineze Unii zic ca nu conteaza ce ulei pui (75W90), nu e diferit de cel care se pune in diff-urile "normale" Altii zic ca tre' sa scrie pe cutie "pt LSD" Cativa ma indruma (corect  ) catre "reprezentanta" BMW
So, care e raspunsu' corect? -------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Feb 28 2006, 08:38 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Incep io cu ce am gasit pe net:
"BMW have issued a Service Bulletin (i think it was in '93, i can look up the bulletin if anyone needs it) that stipulates new synthetic final drive lubricants for all BMW models. There are two types of oil, depending on if you have a standard 'open' diff or a Limited Slip diff (LSD). Oils for standard (open) diffs: BMW Synthetic OSP Castrol SAF-XO Oils for Limited Slip diffs: BMW Synthetic MSP Castrol SAF-XLS [unknown brand] VS-700" http://www.bimmerworld.com/html/redline-gear-oil.htm http://www.dol.net/~stimpee/rdiff.htm GL4 sau GL5? http://www.sas-gmbh.de/BP-Schmierstoffe/getriebe/ -------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 1 2006, 10:56 AM
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 82% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP |
iei ulei de diferential full sintetic -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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Mar 1 2006, 03:20 PM
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 Road Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,336 Joined: 17-October 05 From: La dreacu' Member No.: 9 Car: BMW E30 08/90 Engine: 08/94 M42 318iST |
Eu am pus Mobil 80W90...o fi bun? :paranoid:
-------------------- 16 valves, 24 hours a day, 1bar boost. A vulgar display of power. Making boost since 30-06-2008. |
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Mar 1 2006, 09:35 PM
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Road Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,336 Joined: 17-October 05 From: La dreacu' Member No.: 9 Car: BMW E30 08/90 Engine: 08/94 M42 318iST |
de ce?
-------------------- 16 valves, 24 hours a day, 1bar boost. A vulgar display of power. Making boost since 30-06-2008. |
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Mar 1 2006, 10:22 PM
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82% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP |
75w90 -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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Mar 1 2006, 10:58 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
La sfatul maxi-technixului Jaffar, am fost la BMW Otopeni si am luat ulei special de LSD (o sa ma uit pe factura sa vad cum ii zice ca nu mai stiu
) => 11E+VAT / litru, vreo 95RON 2l
Ca sa nu mai fac inca un topic, o sa prezint pas cu pas cam ce am facut: -------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 1 2006, 11:08 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Din pacate insa ne-am lovit de o problema (minora
): flansele dela planetare - cele depa LSD - nu erau ale lui :|, asa ca le-am luat pe cele "originale"
Se scot f. usor, o lovitura scurta si ies depe semeringuri - nu au nici o piulita Desi se potriveau la gauri, am ales sa interskimbam si flansele dela cardan Aici a fost mai greutz, exista o siguranta de metal si o piulita de 36 care prinde flansa respectiva Piulita s-a montat cu cheia dinamometrica, nu am intrebat la ce cuplu, dar a fost un semn de profesionalism
-------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 1 2006, 11:14 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Practic, flansele dela planetare depe LSD nu aveau nici o treaba cu el, cred ca sunt depe un seria 5 (tipul mai are un LSD de 5er, asa ca cine e interesat..)
-------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 1 2006, 11:19 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
S-a demontat doar bara stabilizatoare spate (si bineinteles piulitele dela planetare si cardan )
-------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 1 2006, 11:19 PM
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 100% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 1,341 Joined: 24-November 05 From: IASHIngton- bacau Member No.: 103 Car: e30 Engine: m20 2.0 129CP |
cadn pun lsd-ul meu vreua sa schimb uleiul.care este bun? ce indicativ?
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Mar 1 2006, 11:25 PM
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Road Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,336 Joined: 17-October 05 From: La dreacu' Member No.: 9 Car: BMW E30 08/90 Engine: 08/94 M42 318iST |
mertan>Pana la urma al tau e LSD?
-------------------- 16 valves, 24 hours a day, 1bar boost. A vulgar display of power. Making boost since 30-06-2008. |
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Mar 1 2006, 11:29 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Mertan, o sa pun codul maine, dar in principiu io as lua dela BMW
E cam acelasi pret (<500.000/l) cu un Mobil 75W90 Le-am cerut niste detalii tehnice (vascozitati) dar nu au stiut sa imi zica 
In final m-a dus aproape de 250E, dar merita fiecare banut!!! :unibrow: :unibrow: :unibrow:
-------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 1 2006, 11:30 PM
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 27% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: 16-November 05 Member No.: 99 Car: e46 316i Engine: M43B19 1895 cmc 105 CP |
ce e ala LSD? hai baieti bagati explicatii... merge pus asa ceva pe e46 daca e asa bun #-o
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Mar 1 2006, 11:32 PM
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82% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP |
limited slip diferential
-------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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Mar 1 2006, 11:38 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 1,341 Joined: 24-November 05 From: IASHIngton- bacau Member No.: 103 Car: e30 Engine: m20 2.0 129CP |
mai frate. tehnic e lsd. dar pe dinafara nu se vede. pe placutze nu scrie S. sa mor eu daca stiu. dar il montez. si va arat dacae.
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Mar 1 2006, 11:38 PM
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 100% BMW corupt Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP |
adica trag ambele roti
fara lsd (mai mult ca sigur n-ai  ) daca o roata e pe gheata si una pe ciment nu mai pleci de acolo ca toata puterea e transmisa pe roata care da in gol..
lsd-ul face exact invers.. muta puterea pe cealalta..
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Mar 1 2006, 11:42 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 1,341 Joined: 24-November 05 From: IASHIngton- bacau Member No.: 103 Car: e30 Engine: m20 2.0 129CP |
sa mor eu daca inteleg fenomenul. sunt pe ghiatza da? una pa asfalt. si accelerez.e ... la lsd. se invart amandoua odata. nu e 50%putere pe ghiata si 50% pe asfalt? |
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Mar 1 2006, 11:45 PM
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82% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP |
da ba frate, e pe ghiata
-------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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Mar 1 2006, 11:47 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP |
mosheta pe ghiata, ce te bagi? :finger:
nu stiu nici eu pana la cat % se transfera stanga dreapta, cred ca e in functie de diferential... |
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Mar 1 2006, 11:58 PM
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82% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP |
mai fratii mei
cand esti cu o roata pe gheata si cu una pe o zona cu aderenta mai mare decat gheata de mai devreme un procent din puterea motorului (25% la diferentialele stock, 40% la cele alpina?, si 75% sau mai mult la cele de curse) se transfera la roata cu aderenta mai buna, nici 50% la ambele, nici mai mult la cea cu aderenta mai buna
-------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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Mar 2 2006, 12:02 AM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 1,341 Joined: 24-November 05 From: IASHIngton- bacau Member No.: 103 Car: e30 Engine: m20 2.0 129CP |
nu stiu cum functioneaa asta. adic astiu teoretic. dar trebuie sa vedem pe live.
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Mar 2 2006, 12:29 AM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Lasa procentele..
, poti s-o iei asa:
- la diff open (normal), daca iti patineaza o roata, nu iti mai trage nici una - la LSD, trag amandoua, fie ca patineaza sau nu; poate patina doar o roata, sau pot patina chiar ambele roti (ramai inpotmolit de ex.); dar vor trage amandoua Ce zici, care e mai bun?
-------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 2 2006, 12:41 AM
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www.ejante.ro Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: 26-November 05 Member No.: 108 Car: E60 Engine: 2.5 177cp |
ce fain...ai lsd.....cat am cautat... :crybaby: :crybaby: e 3.15?
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Mar 2 2006, 12:59 AM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Tu NU ai LSD?? Io aveam impresia ca ai..
Ma miram io acum cum puteai sa dai scart in tr. a III-a.. Cu un LSD nu cred ca e posibil (nu vb de M3 )
Si parca nici cerculetele din filmele tale nu erau chiar perfecte (glumesc ), cum ies cu un LSD..
Raportul.. hmm.. mai, l-am intors pe toate partile, nu scrie nimic de kestia asta pe el, dar il simt ce e identic ca raport cu cel veki de 3.15 (probabil) Revenind la functionalitate.. cateva cuvinte de lauda: Masina a devenit incomparabil mai manevrabila in momentul pierderii aderentei; daca vrei sa te duci in directia "aia" prin derapaj, te duci in acea directie, nu te impiedica nimeni :unibrow: Inainte, revenirea masinii din derapaj era foarte violenta, de multe ori fiind pericolul de a pierde controlul; asta se explica cred prin transferul f. brusc de cuplu de pe o roata pe alta Si la LSD se face acest transfer, dar exista acel procent de maxim 25% care "indulceste" transferul Pe asfalt umed, inainte imi derapa imediat spatele daca apasam mai tare pe pedala in tr. a II-a Acum, am plecat destul de tare depe loc si nu am avut probleme, am dus-o pana la 5500-6000 si i-am dat violent a II-a. Nici macar nu a mai patinat (vizibil) vreo roata!!! Va zic, e cel mai tare upgrade de pana acum! "Power is nothing without control" e cat se poate de adevarat(a) Simt in sfarsit ca pot folosi puterea masinii si la altceva decat 0-240
-------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 2 2006, 02:39 AM
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www.ejante.ro Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: 26-November 05 Member No.: 108 Car: E60 Engine: 2.5 177cp |
dap stiu...i beton cu lsd...eu nu am gasit niciunde......
 si chiar am schimbat grupul ca l-am facut varza...si am pus tot 3.15 .....lsd e bun rau pe circuit.....derapaje controlate si binenteles liniutze
-------------------- e46 325ci
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Mar 2 2006, 10:57 AM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP |
QUOTE (Iulika0069) Simt in sfarsit ca pot folosi puterea masinii si la altceva decat 0-240
cand il testam? :unibrow: :unibrow: :unibrow: |
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Mar 2 2006, 12:01 PM
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82% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP |
QUOTE (Iulika0069) Lasa procentele..
, poti s-o iei asa:
- la diff open (normal), daca iti patineaza o roata, nu iti mai trage nici una - la LSD, trag amandoua, fie ca patineaza sau nu; poate patina doar o roata, sau pot patina chiar ambele roti (ramai inpotmolit de ex.); dar vor trage amandoua Ce zici, care e mai bun? da ma, eu nu am explicat bine explicatia corecta e : ai lsd mama ce smcecher esti sa moara fratii mei :dis: mda, un mesaj cam acid, sorry -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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Mar 2 2006, 12:09 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Vezi ca nu-ti raspunsesem tie, ci lui mertan
Nici nu as fi indraznit sa ma gandesc ca tu nu stii ce e ala LSD! :finger: -------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 2 2006, 12:10 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Insiders Posts: 4,486 Joined: 18-October 05 Member No.: 15 Car: E30 Engine: M42 |
Ba mai subtire cu LSD-u :unibrow:
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Mar 2 2006, 03:46 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 1,341 Joined: 24-November 05 From: IASHIngton- bacau Member No.: 103 Car: e30 Engine: m20 2.0 129CP |
oricum stiam ce e ala lsd. dar stiu ca trag amandoua odata. ca i-am facut la al meu 100 de probe(cu mana). si asha este cum spune iulika.
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Mar 2 2006, 04:28 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Dragii moshului, tin sa va anunt ca (cred ca) am nimerit un diferential cu minunatul raport de 2.9x de pe 328i E36! :unibrow:
Mi se parea ca e ceva in neregula cu turatiile, la 60 la ora intr-a III-a am cam 2000rpm, zic "hmm... parca ~2000 aveam in a IV-a..." Si fac un mic test de turatie in tr. a II-a:; rezultatul il vedeti in filmulet: cu a doua prind acum aproape 120km/h, fata de <<100 cat prindeam inainte!!
Maine dimineata ies pe A2 ca nu mai am rabdare!! :unibrow: -------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 2 2006, 04:31 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Insiders Posts: 4,486 Joined: 18-October 05 Member No.: 15 Car: E30 Engine: M42 |
Ha,ha o sa mai pierzi din demaraj un pic cred
sa vezi ce ti-o da Florinel acum 
-------------------- cotetz 1,8is
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Mar 2 2006, 04:36 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP |
:unibrow: :unibrow: :unibrow:
scoti 0-100 mai slab decat mine
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Mar 2 2006, 05:16 PM
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82% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP |
QUOTE (mertan) oricum stiam ce e ala lsd. dar stiu ca trag amandoua odata. ca i-am facut la al meu 100 de probe(cu mana). si asha este cum spune iulika.
si nu e asa ca nu e cum spun eu? da proba cu mana e cea mai buna, sau pe ghiata :retard: -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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Mar 2 2006, 07:43 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP |
acum am venit de pe autostrada unde am facut niste teste :unibrow: :unibrow:
ce sa zic.. decat ca e f. lung.. 170+ cu a 3-a
oricum las filmele (pe care cred ca o sa le puna iulika) sa vorbeasca..
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Mar 2 2006, 10:16 PM
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27% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: 16-November 05 Member No.: 99 Car: e46 316i Engine: M43B19 1895 cmc 105 CP |
Pai eu cred ca si acum la e46 masina trage mereu cu roata care are aderenta... daca derapez pe lateral (ca la cerculetze) ma cam lasa de tot tractiunea...
sa nu fac prostii... cu toate astea am intors cu masina in slide in intersectie si a derapat fundul si am avut si tractiune... oricum daca ii dau talpa nu pleaca deloc in lateral si nici scart nu dau... daca deconectez ASC+T insa se schimba treaba si masina trage permanent la fel indiferent ce roata aluneca... am facut chestia asta chair de curand si mi-a iesit o plecare cu slide pe lateral ceva bestial... chiar sunt mandru de ea... mi-a plecat fundul in dreapta (vreo 30 de grade) si am redresat masina brusc cu bracaj dar fara sa tai gazul... scula schema...
in rest nu cred ca e un mare avantaj sa scazi raportul ca sa cresti viteza maxima... oricum nu ai cum s-o alergi in .ro cu 260 la ora asa incat eu cred ca mai degraba mi-as lua unul cu raport mai mare sa plec mai tare de pe loc...  pana la urma in oras mergi cu maxim 70 si foarte rar mai sus de atat asa incat important e sa ajungi la 70 repede si s-o lasi sa alunece in a 4-a la viteza asta (adica un consum optim)... apropos, iulika, nu ti-a crescut consumul de la schimbarea asta? ia vezi cum mai stai cu el...
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Mar 2 2006, 10:19 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP |
din contra.. cu un raport mic schimbi mai rar vitezele si consuma mai putin.. cu unul mare ai demaraj mai bun, viteza maxima mai mica si consum mai mare..
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Mar 2 2006, 11:27 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Previziunile se pare ca sunt din ce in ce mai "sumbre"
: diferentialul este mult mai lung decat cel stock! :unibrow:
Prima poza e un stop cadru dintr-un filmulet mai veki depe A2 - 230km/h la ~6300rpm A doua poza e "proaspata", cu noul LSD: ~137km/h la 3000rpm (tr. V-a) Facem calcule si rezulta ca cu vekiul diff avem ~110km/h la 3000rpm 110 / 137 * 3.15 = ~2.5x => Am diff de 2.5x!! Adica de 325tds!! -------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 2 2006, 11:42 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Practic in tr. a 4-a am acum aceiasi turatie ca inainte cu tr. a V-a!
A 3-a e un pic mai scurta decat "fosta" a 4-a (170 vs 180) A 2-a e un pic mai mult mai scurta decat fosta a 3-a (120 vs 140) Si iata cum m-am facut cu a 5-a pe post de a 6-a, cu un raport de ~0.80:1!! :unibrow: -------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Mar 3 2006, 08:05 AM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 1,341 Joined: 24-November 05 From: IASHIngton- bacau Member No.: 103 Car: e30 Engine: m20 2.0 129CP |
am si io o intrebare. mai proasta.... de ce la toate bmweurile(majoritatea) sta apa la jumate? :ninja:
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Mar 3 2006, 08:58 AM
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 100% BMW corupt Group: Insiders Posts: 1,723 Joined: 19-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 29 Car: BMW E46 318I 2002 Engine: N42 2.0 143CP |
QUOTE (Iulika0069) Previziunile se pare ca sunt din ce in ce mai "sumbre"
: diferentialul este mult mai lung decat cel stock! :unibrow:Bun venit in familia celor cu diff lsd, cu raport sub 3,00...
-------------------- ex...e36 316i ex...e30 327i ex...e46 318i ex...e60 520i today just off-road - Navarone |
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Mar 3 2006, 09:02 AM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP |
QUOTE (mertan) am si io o intrebare. mai proasta.... de ce la toate bmweurile(majoritatea) sta apa la jumate? :ninja:
pt ca acolo e normal sa stea? offtopic: hehe.. cati km arata bordul in poza "IMG_7020_1024x.jpg" 176.000 |
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Mar 3 2006, 08:20 PM
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27% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: 16-November 05 Member No.: 99 Car: e46 316i Engine: M43B19 1895 cmc 105 CP |
QUOTE (florin83) din contra.. cu un raport mic schimbi mai rar vitezele si consuma mai putin.. cu unul mare ai demaraj mai bun, viteza maxima mai mica si consum mai mare..
daca schimbi rar vitezele insemana ca ori turezi mai mult motorul ori ca il folosesti subturat si automat consuma mai mult... daca schimbi, sau mai exact esti nevoit sa schimbi mai des datorita raportului, cuplul care ajunge la roti e mai mare pe turatii mai joase si nu fortezi motorul in turatii mici deci automat consumi mai putin chiar daca schimbi mai des... am citit pe un site ca ceea ce se numeste cuplu este influentat de toata transmisia intre motor si roti si in cazul a 2 motoare cu parametrii egali puse pe aceiasi masina va consuma mai putin cel cu cuplu mai mare... la noi rotile sunt identice, motorul e acelasi doar raportul e diferit si cred ca e diferit in directia in care o sa-i creasca omului consumul avand in vedere ca cuplul i-a scazut (chiar tu ai spus florine ca acum o sa aiba un timp mai prost la 0-100 si asta e datorita pierderii de cuplu)... daca vrea sa mentina timpul avut anterior la 0-100 trebuie sa schimbe rotile eventual sau sa traga o remapare... oricum pariez ca ii creste consumul acum...
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Mar 3 2006, 09:34 PM
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la drum intins o sa-i consume mai putin pentru ca o sa scada turatia motorului. Daca folosind diferentialul vechi, pentru a merge cu 120km/h avea nevoie sa tina motorul turat la x000 de ture cu noul diferential la aceeasi viteza, turometrul va indica y000 de ture, unde y<x.(Daca as fi continuat cu"un porumbel zboara cu o viteza..."obtineam o problema de fizica pentru clasa a 8-a.
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Mar 3 2006, 09:38 PM
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73% BMW corupt Group: Insiders Posts: 746 Joined: 21-December 05 From: Ploiesti Member No.: 135 |
W A F!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Mar 4 2006, 02:44 PM
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27% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: 16-November 05 Member No.: 99 Car: e46 316i Engine: M43B19 1895 cmc 105 CP |
la viteza constanta consumul e mai bun acum intradevar dar in Bucuresti viteza contanta se mentine doar la 0 km/h, adica in parcare...
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Mar 4 2006, 08:10 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Insiders Posts: 4,486 Joined: 18-October 05 Member No.: 15 Car: E30 Engine: M42 |
Asta cu diferentialul scurt e valabila daca se merge legal
eu am trecut de la 3,46 la 4,10 daca se merge legal consumul e rezonabil,dar cine merge legal? :unibrow:
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Mar 4 2006, 09:05 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 1,341 Joined: 24-November 05 From: IASHIngton- bacau Member No.: 103 Car: e30 Engine: m20 2.0 129CP |
dar pana la urma... diferentialul open la ce este bun?
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Mar 4 2006, 10:25 PM
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82% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP |
QUOTE (mertan) dar pana la urma... diferentialul open la ce este bun?
vandut la fier vechi -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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Mar 5 2006, 05:47 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Sunt curios cat mi-ar cere pe un diff open de E36 "dezmembreri" gen M..TXA & co :dis:
Asa ca mai usor cu "fier veki", cred ca e minim 200-300 RON la baieti (chiar o sa caut, de curiozitate..) Oricum il pastrez ca masura de siguranta in caz ca asta LSD pateste ceva Legat de consum, am venit acum dela Predeal, am pus 14l la plecare - eram cam pe rosu, mult sub linia de 1/4 == 15l - si cand am ajuns in Buc inca nu ajunsese acul la 1/4 Estimez la undeva sub 8% (fata de 9 si ceva cat imi lua inainte), ceea ce e extraordinar, avand in vedere ca am mers in mare parte cu 150km/h (in afara), in localitati cu ~80km/h, iar pe Valea Prahovei cu 40-60 ca erau numai mocaiti O sa incerc sa fac consumul cat mai corect (plin - plin), pana atunci insa e doar o "estimare" Sunt curios daca o sa creasca consumul in oras, dar nu cred.. E destul de incomod sa faci depasiri mai in forta la 80-90, esti nevoit sa bagi a 2-a, dar te obisnuiesti
La un moment dat am folosit chiar si tr. I din mers pela 25-30km/h, ca nu stiam daca o sa am timp cu a 2-a.. Dupa ce treci insa de 100 si ceva noile rapoarte chiar te ajuta (e mai simplu/repede sa skimbi 4-3 sau 3-4 decat 4-5 respectiv 5-4), plus ca - dupa cum ziceam - a 3-a e un pic mai scurta decat vekea a 4-a (170 vs 180), iar a 4-a o poti folosi si la 60-70, ceea ce nu prea era ok cu vekea a 5-a Iar a 5-a e o dementa totala, masina trage frumos iar consumul instantaneu, dupa ce stabilizezi viteza, e intotdeauna sub 10, chiar si la 150-160km/h Per ansamblu, in oras masina a pierdut din sportivitate, in afara insa a castigat, datorita noilor rapoarte (decalate) mai scurte! -------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Aug 1 2006, 10:19 PM
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ma-ti bagat in ceata de tot ! spuneti-mi daca vreau sa-l tin pe loc si sa se invirta amindoua rotile odata ce diferential am nevoie?
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Aug 1 2006, 11:43 PM
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diferential normal e bun pt asta
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Aug 1 2006, 11:44 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP |
sa dea cu o roata mai mult..
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Aug 1 2006, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE (adi_fred2000) ma-ti bagat in ceata de tot ! spuneti-mi daca vreau sa-l tin pe loc si sa se invirta amindoua rotile odata ce diferential am nevoie?
LSD --------------------  www.printareieftina.uv.ro - Servicii dtp, printare, copiere si multe altele |
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Aug 2 2006, 07:33 PM
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0% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 31-July 06 Member No.: 401 |
pai diferential normal nu e bun deoarece din asta am si se invirte o singura roata !! exista diferential lsd pt urs?
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Aug 2 2006, 11:41 PM
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CSL fan Group: Insiders Posts: 1,944 Joined: 11-December 05 From: Bucharest, Pta. Romana Member No.: 120 Car: e39 530da touring Engine: 3.0D |
LOL
normal si exista si orice raport vrei sau aproape orice
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Jan 7 2007, 09:12 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
Pot sa bag 75w85 API GL4 in LSD?
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Jan 7 2007, 09:57 PM
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Road Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,336 Joined: 17-October 05 From: La dreacu' Member No.: 9 Car: BMW E30 08/90 Engine: 08/94 M42 318iST |
In LSD se baga doar API GL5.
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Jan 11 2008, 11:05 AM
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Roadrunner Group: Members Posts: 2,379 Joined: 10-November 07 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 1,273 Car: E39 Engine: M57D30 |
revenind la diff-uri, azi am de gand sa montez un LSD de 2.65 pe masina, acum nu stiu cat am, dar e open, si o tine cam in ture afara (110 km/h 3000 RPM). Uleiul, am inteles ca trebuie API GL5 in diff, dar spuneti-mi va rog si pe unde gasesc asa ceva. La benzinarii, sau doar la dealeri?
Multumesc,va tin la curent cu schimbarile dupa montarea diff-ului nou . -------------------- Cash only, no I will not trade + cash for your ETA, nor do I want any wheels, ex girlfriends, puppies, or sexual favors....well maybe but PM me about that one
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Jan 11 2008, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (MeHigh @ Jan 11 2008, 11:05 AM)  revenind la diff-uri, azi am de gand sa montez un LSD de 2.65 pe masina, acum nu stiu cat am, dar e open, si o tine cam in ture afara (110 km/h 3000 RPM). Pai e absolut normal, asta inseamna 6000 RPM la 220 km/h. S-ar putea ca diferenta fata de ce ai acum sa fie foarte mare cu diff-ul de 2.65 (care vine probabil de pe un 525tds - esti sigur ca se potriveste?). Din cate vad, la 520i M20 standard diff-ul e de 4.45, iar la cutie in treapta 4 ai raportul 1:1, iar in treapta 5 ai 0.8:1 (sper ca se intelege ce incerc sa explic). O sa ai mult de suferit la demaraj, in treapta 1 o sa atingi peste 80 km/h, in treapta 2 aproape 160 km/h, etc. Sa ma corecteze cineva daca gresesc... -------------------- |
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Jan 11 2008, 11:46 AM
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Roadrunner Group: Members Posts: 2,379 Joined: 10-November 07 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 1,273 Car: E39 Engine: M57D30 |
Demarajul nu prezinta interes pentru mine, nu am dat scart cu masina asta niciodata, si nu am astfel de ganduri cu ea. Se apropie de o limuzina, si trebuie tratata ca atare.
Ajutati-ma va rog cu informatia legata de uleiul din LSD, unde gasesc asa ceva? Benzinarii, HyperMarketuri, firme specializate, reprezentante? Vreau sa-l montez diseara, si inca nu am uleiul sa-l pun inauntru (sa-l schimb adica). Multumesc, Mihai -------------------- Cash only, no I will not trade + cash for your ETA, nor do I want any wheels, ex girlfriends, puppies, or sexual favors....well maybe but PM me about that one
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Jan 11 2008, 03:10 PM
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 100% BMW corupt Group: Administrators Posts: 8,513 Joined: 17-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 7 Car: E28 525i Engine: M30 2.5 147cp |
E normal ca M20B20 sa mearga turat pe E34, masina-i destul de grea.
Demaraj mai poate insemna si altceva decat zero-suta in x secunde. De exemplu sa urci o panta abrupta cu viteza mica. Am problema asta cu td-ul meu (dif 3.15) care nu prea mai are cuplu decat sus in ture si abia reusesc sa ies din parcarea subterana de la serviciu. Iesirea de la -1 la parter e foarte abrupta, daca as avea viteza ar fi ok, dar mi-e ca o dau cu fundu' de pereti. Ce vreau sa spun: e posibil sa te trezesti in niste situatii in care motorul o sa fie pur si simplu neputincios din cauza diferentialului prea lung si o sa chinui rau ambreiajul. De la 4.x la 2.x diferenta e enorma. -------------------- Inline 6 in a 5-er 4 ever
E28 528i, E39 525i touring, E39 520i touring, E53 X5 4.4i, E70 X5 3.0si, E46 318i ex E39 520i exclusive, E39 525tds, E46 318d touring, E28 525i, E34 525i, E28 524td, E30 318i, E28 525i |
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Jan 11 2008, 03:18 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Insiders Posts: 1,723 Joined: 19-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 29 Car: BMW E46 318I 2002 Engine: N42 2.0 143CP |
QUOTE (MeHigh @ Jan 11 2008, 01:05 PM) revenind la diff-uri, azi am de gand sa montez un LSD de 2.65 pe masina, acum nu stiu cat am, dar e open, si o tine cam in ture afara (110 km/h 3000 RPM). Uleiul, am inteles ca trebuie API GL5 in diff, dar spuneti-mi va rog si pe unde gasesc asa ceva. La benzinarii, sau doar la dealeri? Multumesc,va tin la curent cu schimbarile dupa montarea diff-ului nou . http://www.uleiuri.ro/products_/24/42/<...nuala_de_viteze uite uleiul asta e foarte bun si ieftin pentru lsd...
-------------------- ex...e36 316i ex...e30 327i ex...e46 318i ex...e60 520i today just off-road - Navarone |
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Jan 11 2008, 03:19 PM
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Roadrunner Group: Members Posts: 2,379 Joined: 10-November 07 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 1,273 Car: E39 Engine: M57D30 |
La TD-ul tau e diferenta si de cutie, ai alte rapoarte fata de benzinara M20B20. Cutia nu o schimb inca, am sa pun si cutie cand schimb motorul, intre timp schimb diff-ul mai mult ca un moft, intrucat mi-au suspendat permisul pentru 102 km/h in localitate, intre Turda si Cluj (nu stiam ca-s camere acolo, asta vara prin Iulie, era aproape 0:00 si ma grabeam putin sa ajung la Cj).
Voi vedea cum se comporta, oricum in vara vine si upgrade-ul de motor la 2.4 sau 2.5 TD(S). Deocamdata, in 2 zile masina va intra in hibernare la mine-n garaj, la casa parinteasca, pana imi reintru in drepturi. P.S- am rezolvat-o si cu uleiul, il cumpara mecanicul de la pro-motors (sau ceva de genul asta), am inteles ca e XX W 90 uleiul ( asa este? ). L. E - Multumesc frumos pentru Link, Ionut, acum l-am vazut. This post has been edited by MeHigh: Jan 11 2008, 03:20 PM -------------------- Cash only, no I will not trade + cash for your ETA, nor do I want any wheels, ex girlfriends, puppies, or sexual favors....well maybe but PM me about that one
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Jan 11 2008, 03:34 PM
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 36% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 426 Joined: 29-October 06 From: Bucuresti. Tei Member No.: 467 Car: e38 Engine: m52 2.8 193CP |
Totusi ambreaju va avea de suferit.
This post has been edited by haristeas51: Jan 11 2008, 03:34 PM -------------------- BMW E38 728i
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Jan 11 2008, 03:38 PM
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Roadrunner Group: Members Posts: 2,379 Joined: 10-November 07 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 1,273 Car: E39 Engine: M57D30 |
asta depinde de stilul fiecaruia de condus, de drumurile care le face, tot ce pot sa spun este ca vom vedea cum se simte masina cu acest diff.
-------------------- Cash only, no I will not trade + cash for your ETA, nor do I want any wheels, ex girlfriends, puppies, or sexual favors....well maybe but PM me about that one
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Jan 11 2008, 03:44 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Administrators Posts: 8,513 Joined: 17-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 7 Car: E28 525i Engine: M30 2.5 147cp |
Vorbeam de treapta I, cu a II-a n-am nici o sansa sa urc acolo cu viteza atat de mica. Inchipuie-ti ca aproape de fiecare data ajung sa patinez un pic la jumatatea urcusului (o mica denivelare or smth).
Dar asta nu-i singura situatie jenanta, de cate ori merg la tara la padure, intr-o zona sa zicem submontana, intampin greutati la manevre prin poienile suspendate in varful dealului .gif) Faceam o paralela cu tine ca-i aproximatix aceeasi situatie: mie mi-a scazut cuplul la acelasi diferential lung, din cauza uzurii motorului. Tie ti-ar ramane cuplu constant dar pui alt diferential, mult mai lung. Problemele apar la turatii mici, asa ca o sa abuzezi de ambreiaj, ca M20 are cuplu pe la 3-4000 parca. Daca pui TD sau TDS se schimba datele problemei. -------------------- Inline 6 in a 5-er 4 ever
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Jan 11 2008, 04:52 PM
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Roadrunner Group: Members Posts: 2,379 Joined: 10-November 07 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 1,273 Car: E39 Engine: M57D30 |
Vine, vine si TD/TDS-ul, odata cu caldura afara
-------------------- Cash only, no I will not trade + cash for your ETA, nor do I want any wheels, ex girlfriends, puppies, or sexual favors....well maybe but PM me about that one
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Jan 11 2008, 05:29 PM
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73% BMW corupt Group: Insiders Posts: 746 Joined: 21-December 05 From: Ploiesti Member No.: 135 |
QUOTE (Ionut @ Jan 11 2008, 03:18 PM) http://www.uleiuri.ro/products_/24/42/<...nuala_de_viteze uite uleiul asta e foarte bun si ieftin pentru lsd... d-asta am pus si eu. 
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Jan 14 2008, 08:31 AM
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Roadrunner Group: Members Posts: 2,379 Joined: 10-November 07 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 1,273 Car: E39 Engine: M57D30 |
Impresii dupa schimbarea diferentialului:
asteptate - masina e f lenesa in treptele 3,4,5 - daca e gheata pe jos, la plecare fuge putin spatele - iese mai bine din nameti - consumul extra-urban a scazut de la 11-12 la 8% neasteptate - la 2000 RPM in treapta 5 viteza este de 120 km/h (pe bord) - treapta 4 2000 RPM 90 km/h In diferential au intrat 1.5l ulei 80w90 Mobil, pret 55 lei (2l) -------------------- Cash only, no I will not trade + cash for your ETA, nor do I want any wheels, ex girlfriends, puppies, or sexual favors....well maybe but PM me about that one
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Jan 14 2008, 09:57 AM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Insiders Posts: 4,486 Joined: 18-October 05 Member No.: 15 Car: E30 Engine: M42 |
acum trebuie un motor un pic mai puternic
eventual un TDS sau un 2,5 24 valve
-------------------- cotetz 1,8is
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Jan 14 2008, 12:26 PM
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Roadrunner Group: Members Posts: 2,379 Joined: 10-November 07 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 1,273 Car: E39 Engine: M57D30 |
vine, vine, doar ca nu-i TDS, o sa fie un TD de 2.4. S devine dupa ce-mi intra in posesie.
-------------------- Cash only, no I will not trade + cash for your ETA, nor do I want any wheels, ex girlfriends, puppies, or sexual favors....well maybe but PM me about that one
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Jan 16 2008, 11:38 AM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
MeHigh, e normal sa fie f. lenesa masina in treptele 3, 4 si 5, practic tu in tr. a 3-a (cred ca) ai aproximativ aceeasi turatie ca inainte cu treapta a 5-a
; chiar, poti sa imi zici ce turatie ai la 90-100km/h in tr. a treia?E clar ca iti trebuie un TDS, alfel o sa folosesti 2 trepte in oras Pe 325i-ul meu am tot un LSD de 2.65 sau 2.56, in treapta a 5-a am cam 100km/h la 2000rrpm, ~140km/h la 3000rpm, ~180km/h la 4000rpm etc.. -------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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Jan 16 2008, 11:54 AM
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Roadrunner Group: Members Posts: 2,379 Joined: 10-November 07 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 1,273 Car: E39 Engine: M57D30 |
Prima poza e facuta in treapta a 4-a.
A doua e intr-a 5-a. Da, a 3-a e ca a 5-a inainte aproape la turatie. E f interesant de condus masina in noua configuratie. Sunt curios cum merge pisica cu acest diferential, si cu motorul de 2.5 24V . Fiind mai usoara, si cu motor mai mare, nu o simti asa lenesa. Consumul cum e la tine, in treptele 4 si 5 afara? This post has been edited by MeHigh: Jan 16 2008, 11:57 AM
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Road Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,336 Joined: 17-October 05 From: La dreacu' Member No.: 9 Car: BMW E30 08/90 Engine: 08/94 M42 318iST |
Foarte tare.
-------------------- 16 valves, 24 hours a day, 1bar boost. A vulgar display of power. Making boost since 30-06-2008. |
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Jan 16 2008, 03:04 PM
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45% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 23-October 05 From: Bucharest Member No.: 51 Car: E30 Engine: S50 turbo 400+WHP |
La mine sunt decalate cam cu o treapta doar, dupa 50km/h nu se mai simte asa mult diferenta (sa zic ca pierd 1" maxim 2" de la 50 la 200km/h)
Inainte (de fapt e un diff mai scurt, 3.25 in loc de cat e stock - 3.15): http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hv29oTffNUQ Dupa (diff 2.56): http://youtube.com/watch?v=eQs4tgcngww -------------------- E30 S50 turbo :D
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