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post Dec 6 2006, 02:39 PM
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Pana acum nu am avut ABS la nici unul din cei 3 ursi pe care i-am avut. Asta "nou" are si nu ma impac deloc cu el. Era sa fac cateva accidente din cauza asta. Sa-l anulez? unsure.gif


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post Dec 6 2006, 02:54 PM
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Nu-l anula. Mai bine incearca sa te obisnuiesti cu el. Fa pe un drum liber mai multe incercari de frana brusca si incearca sa te obisnuiesti sa apesi pedala inapoi dupa ce ti-o ridica.


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post Dec 6 2006, 03:09 PM
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Da-i in cap biggrin.gif
N-am folosit niciodata ABS dar nu cred ca m-as obisnui usor cu ideea ca am un feature care-mi mareste distanta de franare. Mai ales ca din cate am inteles alea vechi sunt cam ... incomode.


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post Dec 6 2006, 03:13 PM
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Dupa experienta lui Jointu' la ix e mai bine sa-l lasi in pace.


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post Dec 7 2006, 08:54 AM
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mie nu-mi merge de cand am luat masina..
inainte mergea cateva zeci de secunde - 1minut..
am plecat o data si cand sa franez la un stop (aveam 40km/h) a intra abs-ul desi am franat f.usor.. super naspa senzatia cand vezi ca apesi frana si masina se duce in fata..
de atunci m-am decis daca o sa-l fac vreodata o sa-i pun un buton sa-l activez decat cand ploua sau pe zapada..
pe zapada intradevar e f. tare, dar pe uscat mai bine fara.. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 7 2006, 10:53 AM
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daca scoti mufa din calculatorul de abs nu-l anulezi?


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post Dec 7 2006, 11:19 AM
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ba da, dar nu vreau sa desfac de fiecare data placa aia de sub volan sa scot mufa...
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post Dec 7 2006, 02:28 PM
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Ma refeream ca solutie pt. butcky.


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post Dec 7 2006, 02:44 PM
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Nu-i da idei ca cine stie ce mufa scoate. laugh.gif


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post Dec 7 2006, 04:11 PM
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post Dec 7 2006, 04:15 PM
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pe siguranta de la ABS mai sunt puse luminile din interior, check control-ul, stopurile de frana...
mai simplu e sa scoata mufa de la un senzor, mufa de la computer sau releul..
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post Dec 8 2006, 09:17 AM
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mai bine se obisnuieste cu el
sau sa-l anuleze biggrin.gif ( ca gospodarul - pe coupe-ul lui )
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post Dec 8 2006, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE (florin83 @ Dec 7 2006, 04:15 PM) *
pe siguranta de la ABS mai sunt puse luminile din interior, check control-ul, stopurile de frana...
mai simplu e sa scoata mufa de la un senzor, mufa de la computer sau releul..


sa nu scoata mufa de vre-un senzor ca pateste ca mine...cel mai bine scoti releul si gata.


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post Dec 8 2006, 09:57 AM
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ce-ai patit?
ca eu am scos un senzor...
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am patit ca nu mai aveam frana....scosesem senzorul de pe stanga fata(credeam ca de acolo se anuleaza ABS-ul)...cel de pe dreapta spate nu mergea cum trebuie si se bloca frana...era tare pedala si efectiv nu frana....iar in ultim perioada crestea si turatie cand calcam frana.....

Eu am banuit ca e tulumba de frana....credeam ca nu face vacuum....insa sa dovedit sa fie de la abs


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post Dec 8 2006, 10:54 AM
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eu nu cred ca a fost de la aia...
si eu am avut o mufa scoasa si nu facea asa.. pur si simplu nu mai mergea ABS-ul..
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post Dec 8 2006, 01:21 PM
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Tare mi-e ca daca sistemul nu-i destept sa verifice in permanenta starea senzorilor, deconectarea unuia rezulta in:

sistemul nu mai primeste impulsuri de la o roata=> roata blocata=> nu te lasa sa franezi, ca sa se deblocheze. Si roata nu "se deblocheaza" oricut s-ar impotrivi franarii pe care incerci s-o faci.

Deci intrebarea e: ABS-ul de urs stie sa-si verifice senzorii?


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post Dec 8 2006, 07:11 PM
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am un senzor care cind merge cind nu
cind nu merge indiferent de intensitatea frinarii intra abs(bate in pedala)- asa stiu ca...iar nu merge
cind l-am scos parca abs s-a decuplat de tot...
nush ce sa mai cred
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post Dec 8 2006, 08:43 PM
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Eu cred ca face verificarea..
dupa ce pornesc motoru merge absu pt cateva zeci de secunde, dupa care se aprinde becu.. se simte si in pedala ca merge.
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post Dec 9 2006, 08:20 AM
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care bec?
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post Dec 9 2006, 10:34 AM
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post Dec 9 2006, 08:54 PM
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la mine nu s-a aprins niciodata
si nu e ars becul, c-am verificat...
pana mea...
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post Dec 9 2006, 08:58 PM
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pai ala se aprinde cand nu merge..laugh.gif
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post Dec 9 2006, 10:06 PM
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pai nu merge bine la mine...
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post Dec 9 2006, 10:15 PM
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cum adica nu merge bine?
ori merge, ori nu merge..
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la mine fenomenul este urmatorul: la orice franare de intensitate mica intra abs-ul, insa la franarea de urgenta se comporta normal....in ultimul timp insa unul sau doi senzori functioneza din cand in cand si ba merge abs-ul, ba nu merge....ah si inca ceva: la mine cand nu merge un senzor nu merge tot sistemul.... smile.gif ...asa ca oameni buni, vrem abs pe urs schimbam senzorii...nu vrem ii lasam asa... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (iulian325 @ Dec 9 2006, 08:54 PM) *
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la mine nu s-a aprins niciodata
si nu e ars becul, c-am verificat...
pana mea...

trebuie sa se aprinda cand pui contactul si dupa ce pornesti motorul sa se stinga (asta daca functioneaza)


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Azi am pus frana brusc de pe la 80-90 km/h ca mi-a iesit unu in fata cu un Focus si nu m-au tinut franele! sad.gif ABS-ul e o prostie! Mi-a ridicat pedala pana sus si oricat de tare apasam nu cobora. dry.gif Masina se ducea ca si cum nu as fi apasat frana deloc. I-am dat una in spate si l-am impins vre-o 2 metrii, dar nu am patit nimic nici eu nici el! tongue.gif
Am vb cu Florin si am scos mufa aia lunga de langa oala stanga si nu mai aveam deloc frane. Caraia ca si cum intra ABS-ul la cea mai mica atingere.
Dupa cele intamplate am tras o concluzie! ABS-ul e o P R O S T I E (pe uscat)!!! Asa ca... o sa-i fac un buton pe bord si-l pun numai cand ploua sau ninge. dry.gif


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QUOTE (TiL @ Dec 8 2006, 01:21 PM) *
Tare mi-e ca daca sistemul nu-i destept sa verifice in permanenta starea senzorilor, deconectarea unuia rezulta in:
sistemul nu mai primeste impulsuri de la o roata=> roata blocata=> nu te lasa sa franezi, ca sa se deblocheze. Si roata nu "se deblocheaza" oricat s-ar impotrivi franarii pe care incerci s-o faci.

Deci intrebarea e: ABS-ul de urs stie sa-si verifice senzorii?


Eu cred ca ABS-ul tau nu-i intreg la minte. O fi el naspa ca-ti mareste distanta de franare.... dar sa nu tina frana aproape deloc... vezi sa nu fie cazul a ceea ce am spus mai sus.


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TiL> inca n-ai invatat sa nu te iei dupa ce zice bucii. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (florin83 @ Dec 9 2006, 10:15 PM) *
cum adica nu merge bine?
ori merge, ori nu merge..


pai se intimpla la fel ca la ionut:
la frinari de la viteza mare - masina frineaza perfect
la viteza mica-bate in pedala...

QUOTE (io`s @ Dec 15 2006, 02:51 PM) *
trebuie sa se aprinda cand pui contactul si dupa ce pornesti motorul sa se stinga (asta daca functioneaza)


tre sa ma uit
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QUOTE (butcky @ Dec 15 2006, 03:10 PM) *
Azi am pus frana brusc de pe la 80-90 km/h ca mi-a iesit unu in fata cu un Focus si nu m-au tinut franele! sad.gif ABS-ul e o prostie! Mi-a ridicat pedala pana sus si oricat de tare apasam nu cobora. dry.gif Masina se ducea ca si cum nu as fi apasat frana deloc. I-am dat una in spate si l-am impins vre-o 2 metrii, dar nu am patit nimic nici eu nici el! tongue.gif
Am vb cu Florin si am scos mufa aia lunga de langa oala stanga si nu mai aveam deloc frane. Caraia ca si cum intra ABS-ul la cea mai mica atingere.
Dupa cele intamplate am tras o concluzie! ABS-ul e o P R O S T I E (pe uscat)!!! Asa ca... o sa-i fac un buton pe bord si-l pun numai cand ploua sau ninge. dry.gif


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si am pus frine pe toate suprafetele
si folosind gumele din poza pe apa sau zapada...

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trebuie sa se aprinda cand pui contactul si dupa ce pornesti motorul sa se stinga (asta daca functioneaza)


asa e tongue.gif

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Eu cred ca ABS-ul tau nu-i intreg la minte. O fi el naspa ca-ti mareste distanta de franare.... dar sa nu tina frana aproape deloc... vezi sa nu fie cazul a ceea ce am spus mai sus.


din pacate asa e la E30, cel putin la ix sad.gif
si la toate cu care am mers asa face.. intra fara rost, la viteze f.mici si la franari f. normale..
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La fosta masina (Vectra 2000 16v) aveam un cablu rupt la ABS si nu mergea deloc. Nu pot sa tai un cablu ca sa anulez ABS-ul la ix???


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vezi sa nu tai conductele de frana laugh.gif

ti-am zis ma.. scoate mufa de la computeru de abs ca sigur nu o sa mai mearga
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Bucii...esti fenomenal frate....ia si tu schema electrica de p net si vezi ca e un releu care daca e scos anuleaza ABS-ul....nu e mai usor asa???decat sa tai fire si sa scoti mufe?


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Bucii...esti fenomenal frate....ia si tu schema electrica de p net si vezi ca e un releu care daca e scos anuleaza ABS-ul....nu e mai usor asa???decat sa tai fire si sa scoti mufe?


pt lenesi ca mine....care e mufa ce tre scoasa? ...
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Lasa ma ca daca gaseste bucii schema electrica sigur scoate alte mufe, taie alte fire, etc. laugh.gif


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taie direct conductele de frana si absolut toate firele si cablurile care merg la roti si garantez ca nu o sa-ti mai faca ABS-ul probleme si ca frana folosesti marsarierul, daca intra... daca nu... pui piciorul la roata ca la pegas laugh.gif

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QUOTE (io`s @ Dec 15 2006, 02:51 PM) *
trebuie sa se aprinda cand pui contactul si dupa ce pornesti motorul sa se stinga (asta daca functioneaza)


nu am deloc bec acolo...

cind am timp desfac bordul si pun
straniu..doar l-am desfacut de citeva ori ; ori nu am observat lipsa (virsta), ori nu sunt contacte acolo si am zis sa nu pun degeaba...
la cite combinatii s-au facut la masina mea...mare lucru sa mearga ceva bine...
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Am mers intr-un loc mai putin circulat ca sa testez ABS-ul. Chiar are probleme! Am pus frana brusc de la 100 km/h si franeaza cateva secunde dupa care pedala se ridica, se intareste si nu mai franeaza, dar continua sa caraie de la ABS. Dupa vre-o 4-5 franari bruste ca asta mi s-a aprindea un bec in bord (cel din poza) de fiecare data cand atingem pedala.
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vad ca in bordul tau martorul de abs e inscriptionat
la mine pe linga faptul ca nu are bec nici inscriptionat nu e...
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QUOTE (butcky @ Dec 18 2006, 03:07 AM) *
Am mers intr-un loc mai putin circulat ca sa testez ABS-ul. Chiar are probleme! Am pus frana brusc de la 100 km/h si franeaza cateva secunde dupa care pedala se ridica, se intareste si nu mai franeaza, dar continua sa caraie de la ABS. Dupa vre-o 4-5 franari bruste ca asta mi s-a aprindea un bec in bord (cel din poza) de fiecare data cand atingem pedala.
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becul de care zici tu e senzorul de placute


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QUOTE (iulian325 @ Dec 18 2006, 07:01 AM) *
vad ca in bordul tau martorul de abs e inscriptionat
la mine pe linga faptul ca nu are bec nici inscriptionat nu e...
cre ca bordul e schimbat sad.gif


desfa bordul si verifica ,pt ca nu e normal iar daca lipseste doar becul din bord sau acesta nu face contact nu se inchide circuitul si tot nu functioneaza.Ask me how i know:P
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QUOTE (butcky @ Dec 18 2006, 03:07 AM) *
Am mers intr-un loc mai putin circulat ca sa testez ABS-ul. Chiar are probleme! Am pus frana brusc de la 100 km/h si franeaza cateva secunde dupa care pedala se ridica, se intareste si nu mai franeaza, dar continua sa caraie de la ABS. Dupa vre-o 4-5 franari bruste ca asta mi s-a aprindea un bec in bord (cel din poza) de fiecare data cand atingem pedala.
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cand iti impinge pedala el tot franeaza, dar mai nasol..

tu cu rotitele alea, cu abs-ul cu probleme si fara placute de frana tu mergi cu 100+ in oras.. marfa conf (9).gif
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post Dec 18 2006, 11:57 AM
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Nu cumva ai placutele de frana complet uzate?


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Sa ne anunti si noi din timp pe unde te deplasezi prin afara Bucurestiului daca mergi cu 200 km/h fara frane... Eventual sa ne faci si un traseu al tau prin Bucuresti ca sa stim sa evitam acele zone... Multumim anticipat.


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Bucii, sa nu mai vii la intalniri, ca poate nu te tin franele laugh.gif
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Ce sunt alea domne??Bucii tu cand ai luat masina nu ai mers cu ea?!?!?


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placutele si lichidu sunt consumabile pt noi..
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dupa 2 ani de zile lichidul acumuleaza cam 10-15 % apa
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Masina a stat pe dreapta 1 an jumate s nici macar nu a stat in garaj. unsure.gif
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QUOTE (da_joint @ Dec 18 2006, 09:03 AM) *
desfa bordul si verifica ,pt ca nu e normal iar daca lipseste doar becul din bord sau acesta nu face contact nu se inchide circuitul si tot nu functioneaza.Ask me how i know:P
pe de alta parte daca e bordul schimbat....


tin minte ca am pus becuri peste tot unde erau contacte...dar poa ma insel
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100 prin oras nu e nimic! Zilnic merg asa! tongue.gif Ieri am mers cu 200 pe DN1 tot fara frane! smile.gif

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Sa ne anunti si noi din timp pe unde te deplasezi prin afara Bucurestiului daca mergi cu 200 km/h fara frane... Eventual sa ne faci si un traseu al tau prin Bucuresti ca sa stim sa evitam acele zone... Multumim anticipat.


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Cred ca au gresit astia noul cod rutier daca mai exista persoane care sa aibe tendinte ucigase pe strazi. Butcky, cati ani ar trebui sa ramai fara permis ca sa te potolesti? Spune-ne, ca punem mana de la mana si rezolvam intr-un fel.


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QUOTE (TiL @ Dec 18 2006, 06:02 PM) *
Garniturile de la pompa de frana sunt duse.



nu este adevarat
am schimbat pompa si pana cand nu am schimbat si toate furtunele nu a stat [pedala ferma

bucii
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Inteleg ca avei racordurile uzate, se umflau si aveai pedala oarecum elastica?
Descrierea lui bucii e mai aproape de pierdere de lichid (pedala ferma cateva secunde - cred ca vrea sa spuna ca la apasare mai puternica pedala e ferma - iar dupa cele cateva secunde, pedala coboara incet dar sigur). Tipic garnituri duse. Asa am avut si eu la troaca si am gasit tulumba de servo plina cu lichid de frana.


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Ieri m-am luat la intrecere cu unu si cand am ajuns la stop mi s-a blocat pedala de frana (din nou sad.gif ) si m-am oprit in mijlocul intersectiei. Asa ca mi-am anulat ABS-ul. Am scos releul si franeaza mult mai bine tongue.gif


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