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post Nov 28 2010, 11:11 AM
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Deja arate mai bine tongue.gif

Chiar, de ce motronic? Daca cel existent este in stare recuperabila, nu as schimba nimic. Daca tot insisti, trebuie sa faci cumva sa pastrezi galerie asta de admisie, arate mult mai bine ca cele de motronic si e si mai bun.


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post Nov 28 2010, 12:26 PM
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Aduna toata mizeria din compartimentul cu motorul de stergatoare, curata bine ca sub frunzele alea sunt scurgeri de apa si cred ca sunt infundate.
Ar mai trebui sa gasesti capacul (de tabla?) care acopera aeroterma.


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post Nov 28 2010, 12:34 PM
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Spor la treaba Mihai, o sa ai mult de munca. smile.gif
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post Nov 28 2010, 04:23 PM
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CITAT(05aBi @ Nov 28 2010, 10:51 AM) *
Cum merge motorul ? Injectia ?
De ce vrei sa o inlocuiesti cu una motronic ?

merge destul de bine,nu ma vait...dar,daca la mine la m20,am constatat ce diferenta MARE a fost intre inainte cu jetronic si acu cu motronic,am zis sa pun si la ala la fel,nu degeaba a fost si inlocuit je cu motronic,de nemti.in fine,aia sa fie ultimul pas sa schimb sau nu injectia...smile.gif

CITAT(bartro @ Nov 28 2010, 11:11 AM) *
Deja arate mai bine tongue.gif

Daca tot insisti, trebuie sa faci cumva sa pastrezi galerie asta de admisie, arate mult mai bine ca cele de motronic si e si mai bun.

referitor la aspect,cam urasc galeria asta,mult mai mult imi place cealalta mai noua de m30 biggrin.gif

CITAT(TiL @ Nov 28 2010, 12:26 PM) *
Aduna toata mizeria din compartimentul cu motorul de stergatoare, curata bine ca sub frunzele alea sunt scurgeri de apa si cred ca sunt infundate.
Ar mai trebui sa gasesti capacul (de tabla?) care acopera aeroterma.

nu ma apuc de curatat acum ca oricum urmeaza dezasamblare spre 100% a masinii si se va curata atunci inclusiv acele compartimente
*este si capacul de la aeroterma in portbagaj,e de tabla

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Spor la treaba Mihai, o sa ai mult de munca. smile.gif

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post Nov 28 2010, 04:36 PM
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dar pana la dezasamblare e o iarna in care apa o sa stea pe acolo?


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post Nov 28 2010, 04:41 PM
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Au inlocuit l-jet cu motronic pentru ca e mai ieftin de facut, si de intretinut, odata ce era disponibil tehnologia de siliciu necesara la preturi acceptabile, si pentru ca cu motronic era mai usor de indeplinit normele de poluare.
De ce crezi ca motronic 1.3 pe pe E32 M30B30 scoate 188cp din motor asta, iar d-jetronic de pe 3.0Si scoate 200cp din aceasi bloc?

Galerie asta e tot farmecul la M30 clasic cu injectie. Flow de aer e mai bun ca la cele patratoase.


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post Nov 28 2010, 04:57 PM
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CITAT(TiL @ Nov 28 2010, 04:36 PM) *
dar pana la dezasamblare e o iarna in care apa o sa stea pe acolo?

in fine nu cred ca sunt chiar infundate scurgerile ca a mai si plouat zilele astea aici si nu e nimic apa acolo....o sa le dau cat de cat la o parte


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post Nov 28 2010, 04:58 PM
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oricum cred ca-i pui prelata, la cate gauri i-au dat inainte...


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post Nov 28 2010, 05:04 PM
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CITAT(bartro @ Nov 28 2010, 04:41 PM) *
Au inlocuit l-jet cu motronic pentru ca e mai ieftin de facut, si de intretinut, odata ce era disponibil tehnologia de siliciu necesara la preturi acceptabile, si pentru ca cu motronic era mai usor de indeplinit normele de poluare.
De ce crezi ca motronic 1.3 pe pe E32 M30B30 scoate 188cp din motor asta, iar d-jetronic de pe 3.0Si scoate 200cp din aceasi bloc?

Galerie asta e tot farmecul la M30 clasic cu injectie. Flow de aer e mai bun ca la cele patratoase.

nu am zis ca or fi mai bune motronicele,dar am zis sa scap de delco implicit de reglaje parareglaje avans,de o mie de vacumuri,si alte reglaje ce se fac si se tot fac la jetronic si tot se balbaie si tot se mai nush ce face...la motornic stii ca nu prea ai ce regla,daca nu deloc,decat inlocui eventual o piesa.
poate sunt eu speriat de multele si prea multele jetronice vazute,m10 m20 cat si m30 care nu mergea rotund si ok.

Dar repet,asta o sa fie poate ultimu lucru care o sa-l fac,daca o sa-l fac,schimbarea injectiei...
momentan sunt alte lucruri monumentale der realizat...

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oricum cred ca-i pui prelata, la cate gauri i-au dat inainte...

nu ii pun ca nu am...nu am nici pt a mea smile.gif
daca a stat atatea ierni afara ,nu mai moare o iarna


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Bart a schimbat delcoul, de fapt a inlocuit platina clasica smile.gif Si-a luat de o grija, pentru ca nu mai "impusca" in capac si nu mai "pierde" impuls pe acolo. Ai putea sa faci aceeasi manevra si la asta.

Despre furtunele si vacuum-uri, e migalos ce-i drept dar ai putea sa le inlocuiesti pe toate. Sunt convins ca n-o sa aibe probleme cu ea o perioada.

In rest, si mie mi se pare ca nu-i o idee buna s-o lasi afara peste iarna, mai ales fara capota/bucata de capota lipsa si gaurile si tabla expusa in spate.


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post Nov 28 2010, 05:38 PM
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Delcou de la E24 nu cred ca mai are platine. Prin urmare, trebuie verificat daca mai sunt functionale mechanismele de avans centrifugal si vacuum, apoi setat cu stroboscop, si apoi nu o mai atingi niciodata. Sa nu uitam ca L-jet-uri sunt veche si au trecut prin mainile de tot fel de mechanici mai mult sau mai putin talentati. Cred ca cine sa pricepe pune un L-jet la punct destul de repede si cu rezultat ok, ca nu a fost un sistem slab. Motronic are doar avantaj ca sunt mai putine piese deci complexitate scazuta. E digital, 1 sau 0, merge sau nu. Cu exceptia de debitmetru care mai poate sa-ti da bataie de cap tongue.gif


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ok,cand o sa fie masina gata o sa caut un mester bun in reglat jetronice,daca nu ii da un scor bun,pun motornic.desi,repet masina merge ok,sunt sigur ca are ceva reglaje prost facute de atatia mesteri in 30ani....


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post Nov 28 2010, 07:12 PM
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spor la treaba mihai

o sa aveti de tras cu caroseria ....pe alocuri

sper sa gasiti niste bari decente....
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am pus pe un topic de al tau un manual pt mortoare in care gasesti si ce grade sa reglezi avansul de la delcou si celelealte de pe injectie, importante sunt o lampa stroboscopica si un tester de noxe, nu trebuie sa cauti un mester de jetronice:) spor la treaba:)


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post Nov 28 2010, 11:53 PM
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importante sunt o lampa stroboscopica si un tester de noxe, nu trebuie sa cauti un mester de jetronice:)

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post Nov 29 2010, 08:22 AM
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CITAT(shapte @ Nov 28 2010, 11:41 PM) *
importante sunt o lampa stroboscopica si un tester de noxe, nu trebuie sa cauti un mester de jetronice:)

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nu,important e si un mester,oarecum,ca daca imi dai mie cele 2 piese ma scarpin cu ele,ca nu am mai avut/folosit


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nu chiar, in manual iti spune si modul de folosinta si niste valori pe care trebuie sa le citesti:) este chiar foarte usor:)


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trebuie sa fii si putin mester. Am reusit sa stric nitel un stroboscop la prima experienta cu asa ceva.


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Pai ori suntem mesteri ori nu mai suntem. Si ori il stricam nitel, ori de tot laugh.gif


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post Nov 29 2010, 06:21 PM
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De mare surpriza lui TiL, plastic (termoplast) sa topeste cand e expusa la temperatura de galerie de evacuare tongue.gif


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