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post Feb 24 2006, 04:58 PM
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Am o mare dilema...vreau sa investesc intr-o statie si un subwoofer....problema e ca am auzit mai multe modele de sub-uri si nu ma multumit niciunul cum se aude....am si eu o intrebare: bass-ul puternic (de figuri biggrin.gif ) il obtin cu subwooferul-cutie sau tub??? smile.gif


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post Feb 24 2006, 05:18 PM
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da...vreau sa desfintez boxele de pe spate, defapt sa las doar 2 si sa montez alte 2 pe fata, cu tweeter separat, eventual amplificate...si sa mai am un subwoofer in portbagaj, problema e de care??? am ascultat acum 10 min un subwoofer jbl gto1200B pe o statie extreme de 2x50w rms si nu simte-am si eu ca e subwoofer in masina....defapt nu simte-am basul care sa-mi zgaltaie ficatii....si da vreau sa se auda si in masina si afara...ca doar am zis ca vreau de figuri... :unibrow:


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post Feb 24 2006, 05:21 PM
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nu se aude bine JBL-ul ma??? sad.gif


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post Feb 24 2006, 05:23 PM
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ma poate statia nu se potrivea ca avea puterea mica, adica 100w in punte si subwoofer-ul are 250w rms si 1000w max....acum nu stiu ce sa zic.. :dis:


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post Feb 24 2006, 05:44 PM
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post Feb 24 2006, 07:09 PM
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Fara statie puternica si sub la fel nu faci nimic ,100w un mic fas


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post Feb 24 2006, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (Ionut)
ma poate statia nu se potrivea ca avea puterea mica, adica 100w in punte si subwoofer-ul are 250w rms si 1000w max....acum nu stiu ce sa zic.. :dis:

Eu am JBL CS1200T (30cm diametru la 125W cu 500w peak) dar dau in el cu un GTO75.4 care imi scoate 284w la 4ohm pe puntea bridge.
Alte 2 canale de 2x142W le folosesc pentru cele 6 difuzoare din fatza (4 sunt tweeterele originale BMW).
si in spate am scos difuzoarele pentru ca nu-mi serveau la nimic, asa se aude si basul cum trebuie. Dar tot nu simt bass-ul in ficati, ci doar tremura hainele pe tine. Poate daca stai in spate sa-l simti in ficati tongue.gif
deci JBL se aude bine tongue.gif
poate vrei sa-ti vand tubul. Oricum, conteaza foarte foarte mult amplificatorul si conexiunile la el. Tubul mai putin.


Daca vii la Ilioara iti "arat" cum se aude.
Uite aici: http://www.bimmer.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15791#15791

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Incintele inchise (sealed enclosure) sunt cele care au cea mai mare acuratete in reproducerea sunetelor joase si sunt potrivite pentru toate tipurile de muzica. Dar pentru acestea iti trebuie amplificator foarte puternic.

Incintele ventilate (bass reflex, tunurile de bass) au cea mai buna eficienta in zona 40Hz-50Hz si nu reproduc prea bine sunetele sub 40Hz. Daca vrei amplificator mai slab, tunul de bass e cel mai potrivit, pentru ca incintele ventilate produc mai mult bass decat cele inchise folosind o putere mai mica. La tuburi, bass-ul este "labartat", se potriveste cu hip-hop sau house.

Incintele bandpass sunt cele mai potrivite pentru a obtine un SPL (sound pressure level) maxim. Dar acuratetea sunetelor reproduse este mult mai slaba. Daca vrei doar curenti de aer, atunci ia-ti o incinta bandpass. (pentru necunoscatori, bandpass e incinta unde nu vezi difuzorul - adik difuzorul nu are membrana catre exteriorul cutiei.)


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post Feb 24 2006, 10:17 PM
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deci... daca vrei ceva ceva. poti face o cutie in spate in care s apui 2 difuzoare cu magnet dublu. si bassul reflez(adica gaurile alea) sa iasa prin bancheta. nu de alta dar pasagerii sunt doritori de aerisirea palmanilor si de incurcarea matzelor prin burta.
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post Feb 24 2006, 10:25 PM
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Tot CS1200T am si eu impins de GTO4000 (4x50 RMS) si sunt foarte multumit. Acuma depinde ce vrei sa faca un woofer la banii pe care-i oferi. Ceva de Doamne-Dumnezeule moaaaaaaaama cum se haude si sa-ti cada tabla de pe masina de 3 ori n-o sa gasesti niciodata la 4mil.
Pe mine ma bate gandul la un upgrade la Infinity Kappa 120.3 (300W RMS,30cm) care e vreo 5.200k cu tot cu tub si care n-are nici o legatura cu CS1200T. biggrin.gif


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post Feb 24 2006, 10:31 PM
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Vrau sa ma laud si eu un pic.
Sistemul are un an. sunt multumit.
akum 3 luni am schimbat CD-ul a fost Clarion DXZ 745MP
acu e un Alpine 9855 + Ipod Video 30Gb
Sub-ul e un Kicker Solobaric 7 (nominal 700W - max 1200W)
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post Feb 24 2006, 11:03 PM
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Foarte frumos setupul. Sa-l folosesti sanatos. :nod:


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post Feb 24 2006, 11:07 PM
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:eek: :eek: :eek: prea tare asha ceva. :eek: :eek: :eek:
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post Feb 24 2006, 11:46 PM
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offtopic

esti multumit de alpine 9855?? ma bate gandu de ceva timp...


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post Feb 24 2006, 11:49 PM
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alt offtopic:

Crow, care e site-ul clubului vostru ca il cautam acum ceva vreme.. smile.gif
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post Feb 25 2006, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE (316i)
Foarte frumos setupul. Sa-l folosesti sanatos. :nod:
merci

SUPERBEC - da, e mare diferenta dintre clarion. face. ca varianta uite la 9853, 9851.

florin83 - sorry, site nu avem, iata asa, facem parte din BMW Club Europa... dar cu site-ul stam prost...


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post Feb 25 2006, 02:39 AM
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Da, s-ar putea sa fie ce are nevoie. tongue.gif


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post Feb 25 2006, 07:27 PM
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am mai fost azi si am ascultat cateva sub-uri pe diferite statii....cred ca sunt paranoia, ca nu mi-a placut niciunul, dar pana la urma cred ca ma voi opri la un sub JBL GTO1200T sau B si o statie pe 4 canale de 4x75wRMS sau 4x100wRMS, tot JBL...sa vad ce gasesc... smile.gif


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post Feb 25 2006, 07:35 PM
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4x75 RMS sau 4x100 RMS...uoau, cineva e in bani. :unibrow:


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post Feb 25 2006, 10:00 PM
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In martie ma duc la nemti si daca am noroc cred ca ma intorc cu statie, bass (nu stiu inca ce) sarme si condensator... anul trecut un coleg de-al meu a venit cu un set de genul asta (amplif si bass MAGNAT) luat cu vreo 200 Euro... sper sa fie si acum promotii si ma scot...smile.gif
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Vreau sa upgradez systemul de sunet.. E stock, are 10 boxe si amplif, dar distorsioneaza repede si nici nu se aude exceptional.
Intrebari:

- pot folosi amplif-ul stock pt a "da" in cele 6 boxe de pe fata si sa iau unul pt sub?

- sa renunt la boxele spate - cum a facut Darren?

- daca ar fi sa las totusi boxele pe spate, ce amplif ar trebui sa iau?

- sub-ul trapezoidal (care sa nu ocupe prea mult loc in portbagaj) e mai "bun" decat un tub?

- is cam incepator smile.gif la partea de sunet.. ce inseamna practic "canal" si ce acopera 1 canal? Cate canale ar trebui sa am pt 10 boxe si sub? Cum se leaga? Poate isi face cineva pomana si explica un pic mai pe larg si mai pt neinitiati.. biggrin.gif

- pot folosi CD playeru' original? Nu (cred ca) are control pt sub, practic ar trebui sa fac un "setup" din amplif, nuh?


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