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post Jun 22 2006, 07:56 PM
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De ce sunt mai bine vazute cutiile manuale decat cele secventiale?
Banuiesc ca nimeni nu poate sa schimbe viteza in 90/150ms!
Care ar fi dezavantajele?
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post Jun 22 2006, 08:47 PM
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nabar nu am... dar eu zic ca e mai bine sa simti tu treapta de viteza... sa o simti frate ca esti in ea... ca tu ai schimbat-o... nu stiu.
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post Jun 22 2006, 09:10 PM
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si eu cred ca pana la un punct este vorba despre obisnuinta. cutia secventiala este mult mai comoda pentru condusul in oras, nu ti se opreste motorul (daca esti incepator, ma rog...)
dar, daca ar fi asa de fantastica secventiala, de ce ar mai avea optiune de manuala ?

aberez, dar ce stiu e ca nu imi vine sa ma urc la volan in masina cu secventiala, nici macar de curiozitate...
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post Jun 22 2006, 09:22 PM
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Am si eu o intrebare referitor la cutia automata: face frana de motor? Daca da cand?
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post Jun 22 2006, 09:46 PM
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Am si eu o intrebare referitor la cutia automata: face frana de motor? Daca da cand?

cand iei piciorul de pe acceleratie face frana de motor si schimba inferior etc... sau se poate face frana de motor din viteze (manual)


oricum depinde de la masina la masina
cele mai tari automate le face mercedesul

secventialele sunt altceva... ai avantajul de a schimba viteza fara sa calci ambreiajul (folosesti doar la treapta 1 sau la schimbari in jos)
problema e ca nu rezista foarte mult ,poate un sezon

"secventialele" de pe masini de strada sunt mai mult niste manuale comandate electronic.. oricum nu le vad rostul.. iti iau mult din placerea de a conduce .


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post Jun 22 2006, 10:06 PM
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De ce sunt mai bine vazute cutiile manuale decat cele secventiale?


Poate ar fi bine sa clasificam cumva lucrurile.

Dupa modul intern de functionare, cutiile de viteze sunt:
- manuale (cele clasice, cu doua sau trei perechi de arbori si cate un set de pinioane angrenate direct si permanent, pentru fiecare treapta de viteza);
- automate (cu convertor de cuplu si angrenaje planetare);
- cu variatie continua (care au un lant / curea care transmite cuplul de la arborele principal la cel secundar).

La cutiile manuale, exista mai multe mecanisme de a schimba vitezele:
- clasic (acea forma arhi-cunoscuta de "H", la care prin miscarea fatza-spate a manetei schimbatoului se cupleaza vitezele, iar prin miscarea laterala se selecteaza);
- secvential: furcile de cuplare / decuplare a vitezelor sunt conectate la un cilindru care are niste santuri special sapate, iar maneta de viteze are doar o miscare fatza - spate, prin care se roteste cilindrul un anumit numar de grade intr-un sens sau celalalt, si implicit cupleaza treapta imediat superioara / inferioara treptei curente. Sistemul secvential este folosit la motociclete si majoritatea masinilor de curse;
- printr-un sistem (semi) asistat / controlat de computer (de exemplu, la cutiile SMG de la BMW).

Deci, cutiile manuale si cele secventiale sunt in esenta acelasi tip de cutie de viteza ("manuale", clasice) diferenta constand in mecanismul de selectare / cuplare a treptelor de viteza.

Exista tone de informatii pe Net, pe acest subiect.
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post Jun 22 2006, 11:09 PM
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post Jun 22 2006, 11:26 PM
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Iti doresc sa conduci cateva zile un E60 530d(+) Steptronic.
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post Jun 22 2006, 11:43 PM
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si eu :crybaby:... impresie buna sau ....??


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post Jun 22 2006, 11:51 PM
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cand conduci un bmw din start ai impresie buna biggrin.gif ...ca la unele e mai putin buna...asta e partea a doua smile.gif
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post Jun 23 2006, 01:27 AM
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n-am condus masina cu secventiala, dar cred ca e mai misto decat manuala.. smile.gif
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post Jun 24 2006, 08:01 PM
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Eu, spre exemplu tot auzeam ca tot alea manuale clasice sunt mai tari, dar stau si ma gandesc cum ai putea sa schimbi viteza in 150ms cu o cutie manuala? 150ms inseamna fix o clipire din ochi(din momentul inchiderii ochiului pana la deschiderea lui completa)!
Imposibil de realizat cu o cutie manuala clasica!
Plus ca ai avantaj indirect de a-ti tine ambele picioare pe cate o pedala! Deci timpi morti la franare/accelerare mai mici!
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post Jun 25 2006, 12:45 PM
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Cu o secventiala nu poti sa dai 1-a -> a 2-a -> a 4-a asa cum faceam eu cu 525-ul prin oras... Alt dezavantaj nu-mi trece prin cap.


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post Jun 25 2006, 01:08 PM
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si care ar fi avantajul fazei ? :retard:
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post Jun 25 2006, 05:48 PM
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da cu secventiala poti sa dai de ex din 5 in 2? sau trebuie sa mergi 5 ,4 ,3 ,2?
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post Jun 25 2006, 05:57 PM
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pai cred ca de-aia-i zice secventiala, ca trebuie sa parcurgi toata secventa de trepte, nu poti sari.


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post Jun 25 2006, 06:04 PM
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Eu ma gandesc ca trebuie sa treaca singur in trapta inferioara.

Daca eu ma duc afara din oras cu ~130 in treapta 5 si trebuie sa franzez violent pana la ~30 km/h nu ar fi logic sa coboare el automat treapta? la manuala calc ambreajul dar aici? ma lasa sa pornesc cu a 5 -a de pe loc? se poate?
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post Jun 25 2006, 06:09 PM
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Probabil ca la frana violenta intr-a 5-a trebuie sa-i dai 5 bucati s-o aduci la neutru, altfel omori motorul. Sau poti s-o pui pe automat, si-ti retrogradeaza singura.

Dar mai bine ne explica cineva care a folosit asa ceva, ca eu nu cunosc. Am secventiala doar la bicicleta, urca doar cate una, dar poate retrograda si doua odata biggrin.gif


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post Jun 26 2006, 03:57 AM
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Chiar nimeni nu a condus asa ceva ? eu chiar sunt curios cum se retrogradeaza treptele :drool:
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