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Danny
post Jan 17 2014, 12:23 PM
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Salut tuturor,
am constatat dupa ce am lecturat destule topicuri de pe forum ca TiL ar fi persoana la care cu siguranta daca apelez voi primi raspunsul corect, raspuns de care n-am dar nici in manual-ul Haynes...
Am fost nevoit sa inlocuiesc fisele si capacul distribuitorului cu produse noi la un bmw 520i (E28) an de fabricatie 1984 -februarie. Este vorba despre motorul M20B20 de 1990 cmc, L-Jetronic distributie curea (din cate am observat acest model de injectie/motor este intalnit si pe ursulet 320i (E30) care cu siguranta l-au avut/il au mult mai multi in posesie decat cincearul meu).
Problema este ca, desi fisele nou puse nu au numar pe ele ca cele vechi le-am identificat usor numarul stiind ca cil 1 esta cel de langa radiator - deci cu fisa cea mai scurta pana la distribuitor si 6 cu fisa cea mai lunga. Stiu de asemenea si ordine de aprindere 1-5-3-6-2-4, insa cum noul capac al delcoului nu mai are numerotate pozitia fiselor si NU mai stiu unde este pozitionata fisa nr 1 (adica la "ora 7" sau la "ora 1" daca consideram capacul de delcou ca fiind cadranul unui ceas analogic). Am omis sa mentionez ca distribuitorul il am montat in partea dreapta jos in spatele alternatorului (nu in fata sus la supape/curea distrib).
Asadar problema mea arzatoare este pozitia fiselor pe capacul delcoului mai exact unde anume sa infig fisa Nr. 1 (nici macar nu mai am vechiul capac original care avea numere pe el!!!).
Daca pot fi ajutat - desigur fara sa fiu nevoit sa aduc arborele cotit la punctul mort TDC, sa scot fixarea galeriei si capacul de la colbutori pt a vedea pozitia valvelor/cilindrului nr.1, v-as ramane recunoscator.

Multumiri anticipate.

E vorba de motorul si distribuitorul Bosch al carui cod este Typ Nr.0 237 302 039 / 12 11 1 286 740 din pozele atasate...

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post Jan 17 2014, 12:55 PM
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Dupa o cautare pe net am gasit si eu asta:

Most wire sets are already numbered, so you can look on each wire and tell where it is supposed to go. However you need to know where to plug the ends into the distributor cap. I know some caps are numbered, although the text is REALLY small and you would have to look really close to see it. The firing order is 1-5-3-6-2-4 , and should run from the top down (#1 being the very top connection. Notice there is one connector on the distributor cap that is "Off-line" with the rest. It is usually in the middle of all of the other connections. This one is for the coil-wire. I would connect the coil-wire first, then start plugging in my plug wires. since the firing order starts with 1, put #1 plug's wire there. Then the second number is 5, so to go the next connector DOWN and put #5's plugwire in the connector. Make sure the wires are connected well, they should "click" when they are on good.

Singura problema e ca nu prea inteleg ce inseamna explicatia aia, ca nu stiu ce punct de reper isi ia. Oricum, uita-te mai cu atentie ca s-ar putea sa fie si al tau numerotat.


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post Jan 17 2014, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE (xox @ Jan 17 2014, 12:55 PM) *
Dupa o cautare pe net am gasit si eu asta:

Most wire sets are already numbered, so you can look on each wire and tell where it is supposed to go. However you need to know where to plug the ends into the distributor cap. I know some caps are numbered, although the text is REALLY small and you would have to look really close to see it. The firing order is 1-5-3-6-2-4 , and should run from the top down (#1 being the very top connection. Notice there is one connector on the distributor cap that is "Off-line" with the rest. It is usually in the middle of all of the other connections. This one is for the coil-wire. I would connect the coil-wire first, then start plugging in my plug wires. since the firing order starts with 1, put #1 plug's wire there. Then the second number is 5, so to go the next connector DOWN and put #5's plugwire in the connector. Make sure the wires are connected well, they should "click" when they are on good.

Singura problema e ca nu prea inteleg ce inseamna explicatia aia, ca nu stiu ce punct de reper isi ia. Oricum, uita-te mai cu atentie ca s-ar putea sa fie si al tau numerotat.



din nefericire nu imi este de folos pt ca am nevoie sa stiu unde anume este locul fisei #1 pe capacul distribuitorului - care nu este numerotat asa cum am precizat. Ordinea de aprindere o stiam deja.
Mai degraba te-as ruga sa arunci o privire la E30-ul tau daca are pozitionat in acelasi loc distribuitorul, deoarece observ ca ai tot motor M20B20

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post Jan 18 2014, 10:03 AM
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eu as face asa:
-pun semnul de la volanta din fata la OT
-in acest moment luleaua din delco trebuie sa fie in dreptul cil 1
-pun fisele in ordinea aprinderii (in fuctie de partea in care se invarte delcoul)

spor la treaba!


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Cea mai de sus fisa are 2 sub ea, urmatoarea are 6 si urmatoarea 3. Cea din mijloc spre radiator e cea care merge la delcou.

Atat am putut citi fara sa-i dau jos capacul de protectie. Din cate stiu, M20-ul meu e motronic, nu stiu daca-i la fel cu jetronic-ul. Maine daca-i mai cald si n-am alta treaba ii dau joc plasticul si-i mai fac o poza.


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asta e motronic, ce are el e L-jetronik


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post Jan 18 2014, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE (io's« @ Jan 18 2014, 10:03 AM) *
-pun semnul de la volanta din fata la OT
-in acest moment luleaua din delco trebuie sa fie in dreptul cil 1

Ai sanse 50% sa o nimeresti asa.

In mod normal distribuitor are un marcaj (o liniuta batuta) pe el care corespunde cu pozitia fisa pentru cilindru 1, s-ar putea sa-l gasesti pe buza, daca nu e acoperit de capac de praf.


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post Jan 19 2014, 01:58 AM
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multumesc xox pentru intentia de a posta poza reala, dar nu imi va fi utila - > la mine distribuitorul are alta pozitie injectia fiind tip L-Jetronic, nu Motronic

tind sa cred ca bartro are dreptate, pentru ca imi amintesc ca am vazut alte distribuitoare fara capac, rotor si aparatoare de praf montate si parca exista pe buza un fel de ciupitura - dar trebuie verificat acest aspect in cazul meu.

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CITAT(bartro @ Jan 18 2014, 05:48 PM) *
Ai sanse 50% sa o nimeresti asa.

asta inseamna ca sunt mai multe sanse decat avea el cand a deschis acest topic laugh.gif laugh.gif


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Eu nu pricep de ce tot caut pe google si nu gasesc nimic legat de capac delcou L-jetronic pentru M20...


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post Jan 19 2014, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 17 2014, 11:33 PM) *
QUOTE (xox @ Jan 17 2014, 12:55 PM) *
Dupa o cautare pe net am gasit si eu asta:

Most wire sets are already numbered, so you can look on each wire and tell where it is supposed to go. However you need to know where to plug the ends into the distributor cap. I know some caps are numbered, although the text is REALLY small and you would have to look really close to see it. The firing order is 1-5-3-6-2-4 , and should run from the top down (#1 being the very top connection. Notice there is one connector on the distributor cap that is "Off-line" with the rest. It is usually in the middle of all of the other connections. This one is for the coil-wire. I would connect the coil-wire first, then start plugging in my plug wires. since the firing order starts with 1, put #1 plug's wire there. Then the second number is 5, so to go the next connector DOWN and put #5's plugwire in the connector. Make sure the wires are connected well, they should "click" when they are on good.

Singura problema e ca nu prea inteleg ce inseamna explicatia aia, ca nu stiu ce punct de reper isi ia. Oricum, uita-te mai cu atentie ca s-ar putea sa fie si al tau numerotat.



din nefericire nu imi este de folos pt ca am nevoie sa stiu unde anume este locul fisei #1 pe capacul distribuitorului - care nu este numerotat asa cum am precizat. Ordinea de aprindere o stiam deja.
Mai degraba te-as ruga sa arunci o privire la E30-ul tau daca are pozitionat in acelasi loc distribuitorul, deoarece observ ca ai tot motor M20B20

Multam oricum.



Dany deci sa inteleg ca ai nevoie de o poza al capacului de delcou de la 2.0 L-JET daca da te pot ajuta cred ca maine poimaine seara cu asa ceva.
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QUOTE (io's« @ Jan 18 2014, 10:03 AM) *
eu as face asa:
-pun semnul de la volanta din fata la OT
-in acest moment luleaua din delco trebuie sa fie in dreptul cil 1
-pun fisele in ordinea aprinderii (in fuctie de partea in care se invarte delcoul)

spor la treaba!

iar pentru a completa cu inca 50% sansele mai bagi inca o tura la motor, bafta!

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post Jan 20 2014, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE (Halogen @ Jan 19 2014, 10:49 PM) *
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 17 2014, 11:33 PM) *
QUOTE (xox @ Jan 17 2014, 12:55 PM) *
Dupa o cautare pe net am gasit si eu asta:

Most wire sets are already numbered, so you can look on each wire and tell where it is supposed to go. However you need to know where to plug the ends into the distributor cap. I know some caps are numbered, although the text is REALLY small and you would have to look really close to see it. The firing order is 1-5-3-6-2-4 , and should run from the top down (#1 being the very top connection. Notice there is one connector on the distributor cap that is "Off-line" with the rest. It is usually in the middle of all of the other connections. This one is for the coil-wire. I would connect the coil-wire first, then start plugging in my plug wires. since the firing order starts with 1, put #1 plug's wire there. Then the second number is 5, so to go the next connector DOWN and put #5's plugwire in the connector. Make sure the wires are connected well, they should "click" when they are on good.

Singura problema e ca nu prea inteleg ce inseamna explicatia aia, ca nu stiu ce punct de reper isi ia. Oricum, uita-te mai cu atentie ca s-ar putea sa fie si al tau numerotat.



din nefericire nu imi este de folos pt ca am nevoie sa stiu unde anume este locul fisei #1 pe capacul distribuitorului - care nu este numerotat asa cum am precizat. Ordinea de aprindere o stiam deja.
Mai degraba te-as ruga sa arunci o privire la E30-ul tau daca are pozitionat in acelasi loc distribuitorul, deoarece observ ca ai tot motor M20B20

Multam oricum.



Dany deci sa inteleg ca ai nevoie de o poza al capacului de delcou de la 2.0 L-JET daca da te pot ajuta cred ca maine poimaine seara cu asa ceva.



@Halogen...daca observi in fisierele atasate de mine exista 2 sau 3 poze de distribuitor nou (evident nu de la masina mea) cu tot cu capac. Acelea sunt 100% delcouri de la 2.0 L-JET cod 0237302039 identice cu ceea ce am eu pe masina !!! - deci poze cu capacele ar fi ...
Eu doresc sa aflu (eventual de la posesorii de rechin-E28 sau ursulet-E30 dotate cu injectie L-Jet si motor M20B20) unde anume au conectata fisa corespunzatoare cilindrului #1 ...un lucru extrem de simplu de aflat doar citind numarul de pe fise-daca acestea sunt numerotate si urmarind unde intra capatul dinspre delcou

Acum daca tu ai sau stii pe cineva care are astfel de tip de injectie si motor mi-ai fi de un real folos si nu trebuie decat sa imi indici sau sa imi marchezi cu rosu fisa nr 1 din prima mea poza uploadata

Multumiri tuturor pentru sfaturi si ajutor.

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