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post Apr 6 2012, 12:35 PM
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m-a mancat in c__ sa schimb capacul de la delcou. de aici au aparut problemele. merge in 3, detoneaza in toba. delcou nou pus, fise noi, bujii njk de 6-7k. le-am curatat facut distanta 0.9. nu stiu unde sa mai verific. ordinea aprinderii e 1342. daca pun fisele in ordinea 1234 porneste si merge la fel. de pornit porneste f. usor numai ca merge in 3, trepideaza motorul si in sarcina merge lesinata. ar mai fi de schimbat bobina, calculator, injectoare sau masina cu tot. ma mai gandesc la distributie-sa fi sarit de la punc? astept niste sugestii. era sa uit: m10 de 1.8 l-jetronic
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post Apr 6 2012, 12:42 PM
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De la schimb de capac a inceput sa merge in 3? Atunci nu are treaba cu distributie.
Ai invartit de delcou (schimbat avans)?
Incearca sa vezi care e cilindru care e moarta, scoti cu motor pornit cat o fisa la rand, vezi la care nu apara schimbare cand scoti fisa.
Cu capac + fise cu care a mers bine, acuma tot nu mai merge bine?


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post Apr 6 2012, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE (bartro @ Apr 6 2012, 01:42 PM) *
De la schimb de capac a inceput sa merge in 3? Atunci nu are treaba cu distributie.
Ai invartit de delcou (schimbat avans)?
Incearca sa vezi care e cilindru care e moarta, scoti cu motor pornit cat o fisa la rand, vezi la care nu apara schimbare cand scoti fisa.
Cu capac + fise cu care a mers bine, acuma tot nu mai merge bine?

am umblat la avans. l-am miscat usor in ambele sensuri si nu se modifica mersul-tot in 3 merge. nu mai merge nici cu fisele vechi nici cu capacul delcou vechi. am facut combinatii intre ele-degeaba. daca are cineva o bobina sa fac o proba sau bujii. la 4 am gasit bujie afumata si am schimbat-o cu una nou tot ngk si degeaba.
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post Apr 6 2012, 04:16 PM
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Bobina am eu, dar nu stiu unde..
Oricum trebuia sa nu merge un cilindru daca era de la bobina, ma gandesc.


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post Apr 6 2012, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (bartro @ Apr 6 2012, 05:16 PM) *
Bobina am eu, dar nu stiu unde..
Oricum trebuia sa nu merge un cilindru daca era de la bobina, ma gandesc.

ai vrut sa zici niciun cilindru? ca unul nu merge clar. bujia la pistonul 3 o gasesc uda. daca gasesti bobina as vrea sa fac o proba. macar elimin o cauza.
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post Apr 6 2012, 08:11 PM
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putin probabil sa fie bobona, daca porneste la sfert si merg bine 3 cilindri.
Eu cred ca iti trebuie capac nou...


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post Apr 6 2012, 11:40 PM
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ce capac ai pus? eu am luat Facet la m20 si l-am dat jos ca mergea naspa,nu mergea chiar si 5 pistoane insa nici rotund ca cu cel vechi nu mergea,cel vechi dandu-l jos asa de grag sa fie nou smile.gif
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post Apr 7 2012, 07:20 AM
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tot facet am luat. facet era si cel vechi. nu mai merge cu niciunul.
ce e la curu'masini mele...tunurile din navarone.
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post Apr 7 2012, 08:34 AM
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Ai zis la tel ca ai scanteie rosiatic, si problema posibil sa muta de la o bugie la alta. Intradeva, poate e ceva cu bobina sau cu modul de aprindere.


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post Apr 7 2012, 08:48 AM
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ma gandesc la culbutorul ala care bate. sa fi afectat supapele? pe langa modulul de aprindere condensator mai exista si amplificator de scanteie? injectia mai noua are asa ceva.
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QUOTE (lucian @ Apr 7 2012, 08:48 AM) *
ma gandesc la culbutorul ala care bate. sa fi afectat supapele? pe langa modulul de aprindere condensator mai exista si amplificator de scanteie? injectia mai noua are asa ceva.
"delcou nou pus". Crezi ca l ai montat cum trebuie?uita te daca e ok avansul sau cu capacul dat jos daca luleaua cade in dreptul pistonului care trebuie, cand invarti e motor.
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post Apr 7 2012, 05:54 PM
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delcoul nu poti sa-l montezi gresit ca nu-ti da voie. fisele doar pot fi montate airea, dar nu e cazul. porneste usor, merge 2 secunde rotund parca si dupa o da in tremurat. uda bujia 3. am reusit sa-l fac sa nu mai bubuie in toba. mai face cateodata la pornire un poc si dupa merge ok. ma cam bate gandul sa dau capacul de la tacheti jos si sa incerc un reglaj. stie cineva cat e la m10 distanta? e la fel pe evacuare si admisie? am inteles ca la m20 e 0.25 la rece.
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QUOTE (lucian @ Apr 7 2012, 06:54 PM) *
delcoul nu poti sa-l montezi gresit ca nu-ti da voie. fisele doar pot fi montate airea, dar nu e cazul. porneste usor, merge 2 secunde rotund parca si dupa o da in tremurat. uda bujia 3. am reusit sa-l fac sa nu mai bubuie in toba. mai face cateodata la pornire un poc si dupa merge ok. ma cam bate gandul sa dau capacul de la tacheti jos si sa incerc un reglaj. stie cineva cat e la m10 distanta? e la fel pe evacuare si admisie? am inteles ca la m20 e 0.25 la rece.


Se poate cu delco-ul sa nu intre altfel,nu mai tin minte dar avansul sigur se poate regla.Iti face figuri si pe benzina si pe gpl?
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post Apr 7 2012, 08:40 PM
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Distanda rotor - electrozi de la capac e ok? Poate rotor a patit ceva cu capacul nou. La 2002 am avut odata o combinatie nefericita si s-au atins.


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CITAT(bartro @ Apr 7 2012, 08:40 PM) *
Distanda rotor - electrozi de la capac e ok? Poate rotor a patit ceva cu capacul nou. La 2002 am avut odata o combinatie nefericita si s-au atins.

idem!
am patit parca la e23 lui lord halo,am pus capac nou si era mai gros in carne sau ce dracu avea cand am dat la cheie a trosnit scurt si luleaua mi-a ciupit capacu
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post Apr 8 2012, 08:07 AM
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rotorul e bun, luleaua e buna. am incercat cu un capac bosch de la Bart si la fel. am schimbat si bobina si nimic. pe gpl nu am incercat ca mi-e teama sa nu bubuie debitmetrul. ma agndesc sa iau niste bujii romanesti ieftine sa fac o proba.
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Daca pui o fisa in bobina si o bujie direct pe el, tot slaba e scanteie?
Asa poti exluda rotor/capac din ecvatie.


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vand e28 sau schimb cu cupon rabla. mad.gif
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QUOTE (lucian @ Apr 9 2012, 01:03 PM) *
vand e28 sau schimb cu cupon rabla. mad.gif

Chiar asa?
Usor mai renunti.. O sa incerc sa fac timp sa trec pe la tine. Esti acasa diseara?


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imi pare rau ca nu am bani acum ca aruncam m10 cu jetronic cu tot si puneam m20 sau m30 MOTRONIC
Bart, daca poti sa treci cu stroboscopul intr-o zi. Am scanteie buna pe ficare fisa, am scanteie si pe bujie din plin dar e rosie. cilindrul 1 si 4 nu lucreza. gasesc bujia uda. am permutat bujiile intre ele si degeaba. 1 si 4 se uda
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