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post Dec 27 2010, 12:02 PM
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Am vazut o discutie de pe celalalt forum in care unii recomandau, altii nu recomandau, adaugarea de 2-300 ml ulei 2T intr-un plin de motorina.
ca sa verific daca e mai bine sau nu, am adaugat la ultima alimentare (25l motorina) cca 200 grame ulei 2T Lukoil, iar efectele au fost urmatoarele:
la relanti, zgomot mai mic al motorului. in mers, sarcina, deal, vale, e mai silentios motorul, nu se mai aude atat de tare croncanitul injectoarelor sau al pompei sau ce dracu se auzea inainte.
acum, consumul l-am vazut a fi la fel, de tras nu trage mai cu putere, nici mai cu lene.
il provoc la o discutie mai ales pe Brownshark aici, intrucat am vazut ca are ceva experiente cu dieselul, poate si pe Doru, ca si el e bagacios in motor. Am facut bine sau rau?
studiind putin compozitia uleiului 2T si rolul lui la motorete, drujbe si trabant, si rolul lui in compozitia benzinei, concluzia mea ar fi ca isi va face treaba si in amestec cu motorina.


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post Dec 27 2010, 02:05 PM
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Cand ai pus cei 25 litri mai aveai multa motorina in rezervor?

Interesant, cred ca as fi incercat si eu daca mai aveam dizelul.


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post Dec 27 2010, 02:11 PM
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oarecum off-topic, spunea cineva ca pune si motor pe benzina / carburatie. Ajute cica si la protectie anti-coroziune la rezervor.


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post Dec 27 2010, 02:23 PM
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cand am pus cei 25l mai aveam maxim 5l in rezervor. am uitat sa precizez, masina nu scoate fum ca la trabant, functioneaza normal motorul.


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post Dec 27 2010, 07:32 PM
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MeHigh - la motorina "euro impresii" eu pun pe frig 1l ulei la 20l . pe vreme buna 2l la 20l. la aceeasi masina, trage mai bine, mai ales la turatii joase, zgomot mai estompat, mers mai rotund mai ales pina se incalzeste motorul. verificat pe motoare vw, psa, bmw, renault.
oricine are obiectii, poate cauta unde are chef, cum e cu indicele diesel si cu parafina, cum e cu vascozitatea si injectia, cum e cu ungerea la injectie / pompe de inalta presiune, prin fluidul de lucru.
bart - ulei in bezina nu-i bine, scade cifra octanica si imbacseste carb.
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post Dec 27 2010, 08:10 PM
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Foarte interesant!Frate miu si a luat un diesel si merge ceas numai ca dimineata pe frig face cam urat 4-5 sec,si nu bate motorul ca se stinge instantaneu becul,pe la injectoare ceva...nu stiu.Daca bag ulei 2t nu afecteaza injectoarele sau pompa??Sau sa scoata fum?
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post Dec 27 2010, 08:13 PM
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Ulei 2T nu ar trebui sa lasa urme, mai ales la concentratie mica. La mobra 2T n-am observat sa ramana ceva in carb.


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post Dec 27 2010, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE (eugene12 @ Dec 27 2010, 08:10 PM) *
Foarte interesant!Frate miu si a luat un diesel si merge ceas numai ca dimineata pe frig face cam urat 4-5 sec,si nu bate motorul ca se stinge instantaneu becul,pe la injectoare ceva...nu stiu.Daca bag ulei 2t nu afecteaza injectoarele sau pompa??Sau sa scoata fum?


spalati bine motorul (circuitul de ungere, baia si capac tacheti date jos) si inlocuiti uleiul cu ce cere masina aia pt iarna + filtru de ulei de calitate.
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post Dec 27 2010, 10:27 PM
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Interesant smile.gif Eu am mai participat la experimente cu ulei in combustibil, chiar si alimentar, dar nu pe masina mea tongue.gif 200mL la 25L n-are ce sa-i faca rau, astea nu-s motoare extra sensibile. Ma mir ca se observa diferente, e vorba de 0.8%. Intai sa ma documentez ce inseamna ulei 2T si pe urma poate incerc si eu, sa vad daca e vreo schimbare.
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post Dec 27 2010, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE (brown.shark @ Dec 27 2010, 07:32 PM) *
MeHigh - la motorina "euro impresii" eu pun pe frig 1l ulei la 20l . pe vreme buna 2l la 20l. la aceeasi masina, trage mai bine, mai ales la turatii joase, zgomot mai estompat, mers mai rotund mai ales pina se incalzeste motorul. verificat pe motoare vw, psa, bmw, renault.
oricine are obiectii, poate cauta unde are chef, cum e cu indicele diesel si cu parafina, cum e cu vascozitatea si injectia, cum e cu ungerea la injectie / pompe de inalta presiune, prin fluidul de lucru.
bart - ulei in bezina nu-i bine, scade cifra octanica si imbacseste carb.



Pai cand e frig, pui ulei? Citisem pe undeva ca scrie in cartea tehnica de la mitsubishi cu motor diesel DI-D , ca atunci cand e foarte frig se poate pune pana la 30% benzina.
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post Dec 27 2010, 10:45 PM
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daca citesti tot, nu doar cuvinte scoase din context, intelegi.
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post Dec 27 2010, 11:32 PM
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Oricum motorina care se vinde acum la pompa difera fata de cea din anii '80, pentru care au fost concepute aceste motoare. Sa pui ulei in motorina la un diesel nou nu cred ca ar fi recomandat...
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post Dec 27 2010, 11:53 PM
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Da, probabil e rafinata mai bine acum, deci mai putin uleioasa. Asa ca bagati ulei biggrin.gif

Asa, de distractie, as incerca si in benzina, la M30. Cifra octanica scade -> creste puterea calorica -> ar trebui sa creasca puterea si/sau distanta parcursa cu acel combustibil. Dar mersul motorului ar fi mai... croncanit


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post Dec 28 2010, 09:58 AM
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Brown.shark uleiul care zici ca il bagai tu in motorina e tot 2T? acei 1-2 litri.
tot la capitolul asta, am aflat zilele trecute ca soferii de TIR pun iarna in motorina si gaz, pentru a scadea punctul de inghet al motorinei. Acum, stiu ca gazul nu are proprietatile de ungere ale motorinei, daca pui gaz pe mana acesta se usuca si mana ramane uscata, spre deosebire de motorina unde ramane "grasa". Nu vreau sa ma gandesc ce ii face gazul pompei de injectie, cred ca ungerea rotitelor din interiorul ei are de suferit.
o sa incerc la urmatoarea alimentare am sa adaug 300-350 ml ulei, sa vad daca se schimba ceva. rau nu are ce sa ii faca, asta imi e clar, insa vreau sa vad cat de mult se poate imbunatati mersul motorului.
la mine cu pompa electronica, si cu bujiile incandescente noi, motorul merge rotund din prima secunda in care porneste, pompa asta isi modifica avansul la rece si asta se simte in mersul motorului, atat cand e rece, cat si dupa ce se incalzeste putin.


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post Dec 28 2010, 10:39 AM
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Credema ca nu esti singurul care face acest lucru, indiferent de combustibilul cu care merge masina.
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post Dec 28 2010, 01:08 PM
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am auzit si eu mai de mult de asta.am prieteni cu renouri si cu loganuri diesel care baga jumatate de litru la un plin.rau nu are ce sa faca.


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post Dec 28 2010, 03:53 PM
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da la ce pret e uleiul asta? sincer nu stiu daca merita din punct de vedere al costurilor


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post Dec 28 2010, 04:16 PM
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La cat de scumpa e acum motorina, presupun ca nu arde deloc la buzunar un litru de ulei 2T. Poate are acelasi pret cu combustibilul biggrin.gif


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post Dec 28 2010, 04:22 PM
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e cca 16 RON cel pe care l-am cumparat eu, am vazut si la 14, si la 20 prin alte benzinarii, insa deja cumparasem. daca pun un bidon la 80-100 l motorina, costul uleiului e unul infim raportat la ce beneficiu ii aduce motorului.
motorina am pus ultima data vineri inaintea craqciunului de la Petrom cu 4.88 RON/Litru. sa-i f**! dar s-au scumpit in draci si benzina si motorina.


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Bine de stiut, daca gresiti din greseala. Vorbeam la telefon, obisnuit sa bag benzina am bagat 18 litri intr-un rezervor de diesel. La recomandarea unui prieten am mai bagat un litru de 2T si motorina pana la plin, dupa aceea. Am facut 400 km (era urgenta) dar fara sa exagerez cu turatiile (pana in 2800-3000 in varfuri). Am ajuns fara probleme, am mai tras cam 15L din rezervor (cu atat am mai ramas), dar important e ca totul s-a intamplat fara nici o urmare negativa. Deci....salveaza si in cazuri de genul asta.


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