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post Oct 21 2019, 10:31 AM
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325i fost A, actualmente manual

Are de toate, inclusiv probleme laugh.gif

Merge bine in afara, arata binisor (n-am gasit rugina vizibila pe niciunde), hardtop, AC, suspensie, interior sport alea alea ...
182K km, adus in tara in 2013 - a stat mai mult in garaj, n-a facut decat 900km in 6 ani.

Aici se termina partile pozitive.

Broblem:
- cutia automata a fost schimbata cu un Getrag 240 (pare de M20 din ce zice Goagal, desi ar fi trebuit un 260); timoneria e cam in pom, ma rog - nu ne plictisim la volan
- AC montat de proprietar pare destul de OE... dar cu belele, pare sa determine supraincalzirea motorului - am muscat-o odata sad.gif ; fara el pornit face fata aglomeratiei
- am o bataie in podea daca plec mai tare - doar in treapta I; dar asta a aparut dupa ce am luat-o, a trebuit sa-i fac rodajul, deh laugh.gif ;
- niste scurgeri de ulei cutie, motor etc
- ceva improvizatii pe parte electrica - am gasit niste sigurante arse pe la baterie, are un casetofon si alarma montate, poate de aici...
- nu merge decapotarea electrica
- becuri de toate culorile aprinse prin bord smile.gif


Am ceva dileme legate de ce vreau sa fac cu ea, dar mai am timp pana la primavara cand o sa iasa din hibernare.
Scopul imediat e o revizie/inspectie completa pana nu vine frigul.




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post Oct 21 2019, 01:03 PM
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post Oct 21 2019, 07:02 PM
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Esti pe calea cea dreapta, becurile aprinse in bord sunt legate de lipsa cutiei automate cred. bataia in podea se rezova repede , la fel si scurgerile smile.gif


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post Oct 22 2019, 09:39 AM
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Bun! Ti-ai facut de lucru laugh.gif

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post Oct 23 2019, 02:18 PM
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Chiar ca mi-am facut de lucru.

Am fost azi la mecanic (thx Alex) si stam destul de bine, am descoperit ca am si pilot automat + ABS.

Schimbarea de cutie a fost facuta romaneste, cu cardan si timonerie sudate rolleyes.gif, restul scurgerilor si bucsaraia se rezolva.
Exista o dilema si in privinta radiatorului montat, pare cam micut - cred ca e de 4 cilindri. Electroventilatorul pleaca daca dau drumul la AC, dar cu toate astea se incalzeste motorul... deci e altceva la mijloc.
Urmeaza sa intre la servisare completa in saptamanile urmatoare.

Dilema despre care mentionam anterior e urmatoarea: la anul face 30 ani, vreau s-o inscriu ca vehicul istoric.
Am intrebat la Retromobil vis-a-vis de modificarea cutiei si in principiu - n-ar fi o problema daca s-a inlocuit automata cu o manuala aferenta modelului/motorizarii etc.

A mea nu e tocmai ce trebuie, dar nu asta e problema. Ci daca sa fac trecerea *corecta* la manuala (Getrag 260) sau sa ma intorc la automata.
Automata =>masina originala, valoare bla bla cu downside de sportivitate/fiabilitate, poate. Manuala => mai sportiva, usor de intretinut, usor de gasit la vanzare.


Ce credeti c-ar fi mai indicat ? M-am uitat fugitiv pe Goagal, nu prea gasesti ZF 4HP22, spre deosebire de Getrag-uri. Nu stiu cat de fiabile sunt automatele de pe vremea aia si cat de mult pierd din sportivitate... nu ca ar fi cazul, dar nici prea lesinata n-as vrea sa fie. unsure.gif
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post Oct 23 2019, 03:52 PM
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Nu cred ca cutia e problema pentru atestare.
Cred ca si 240 s-a montat pe M20, am cautat si eu putin pe net. As incepe cu timonerie, cardan, sa fie ok,
La racire, vasc sa fie functional, termostat, pompa de apa, si sa nu aibe furtune obturate (mai ales cel mic intre radiator si vas), nu e canicula afara, ar trebui sa fie suficient si un radiator mic.


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post Oct 23 2019, 05:29 PM
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Radiator, vasc, furtune, electroventilator - toate sunt noi. Nu stiu daca termostat/pompa de apa vin separat de vasc, ca e nou sistemul asta pt mine mellow.gif ...
Antigelul nu e nici el ala corect, pare rosu. Pierderi si de lichid de servo.

Cert e ca azi am prins toata aglomeratia de dimineata traversand Bucurestiul de la sud la nord si n-am avut probleme. Sunt destul de sigur ca nu se incalzeste decat daca 1) dau drumul la AC 2)e foarte cald afara (?!) - dar varianta asta n-am testat-o si sper nici sa n-ajung.



Ceva modificare despre care n-am inteles (inca) ce face. Pare o supapa de vacuum cu legatura/ventilatie in admisie:




Si nu, nu e in R, asa sta el pe liber laugh.gif
Nu vreti sa stiti ce se intampla cand tre' sa dau cu spatele biggrin.gif




Chestii interesante pe la baterie:



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Am reusit sa aflu si ce radiator au montat, dupa poza asta:


Adica asta: RA0050360
https://www.epiesa.ro/radiator-racire-motor...d-403038475.htm

440mm, codurile spun ca ar fi de M30. Vad ca realoem imi da o varianta doar de 550mm pt VIN-ul ei: https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?...;diagId=17_0005
Dar manuala are o varianta si de 440mm - acelasi model, acelasi an mellow.gif

Curios e ca tot pe radiator scrie 20/11/07... ceea ce inseamna ca nu fostul a facut modificarea, ci neamtul.... dry.gif

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post Oct 23 2019, 08:32 PM
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in linkul de la Epiesa pus de tine se vede clar

1
Radiator racire motor JDEUS RA0050360
1
Lungime [mm]: 440
Latime [mm]: 33
Înaltime [mm]: 324
Tip cutie viteza: Cutie automata
Dotarea vehiculului: Pentru vehicule fara aer conditionat
Varianta radiator: Tevi radiator paralele
Material element radiator: Aluminiu
Material rezervor apa (radiator): Plastic

as merge pe

For vehicles with
Hot-climate version

S823A=Yes

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Radiator with transmission oil cooler
A=550MM
1
09/1987

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siguranta aia de pe baterie oare nu e de la AC?


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post Oct 24 2019, 08:23 AM
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Si 2002 si E32 aveau variante hot climate version la ce tine radiatoare. Romania se incadreaza la hot, vara in oras, cu siguranta.
CHestia de langa debitmetru, posibil sa fie o modificare pentru incadrare in norme poluare Euro2 sau ceva de genul.


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post Oct 24 2019, 08:53 AM
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Siguranta in sine nu e arsa, dar socket-ul (?!) ei e topit... n-am apucat sa pun voltmetrul sa vad daca are tensiune la ambele capete.
Cert e ca AC merge (baga rece), iar EV-ul porneste.... o sa-l las pe Catalin sa ii dea de cap smile.gif .

Legat de radiator, nu inteleg o chestie: sigur ca as vrea sa pun radiatorul mai mare de 550mm (hot climate), dar nu inteleg de ce ala pt AC e mai mic (scurt) - langa el ramane spatiu berechet, cel putin o palma (ma rog, aia 10cm).


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Because of the location of the condenser, the existing radiator is normally a modified unit. Aircon-specific radiators have a different profile, making them deeper as well as taller to provide a larger cooling area. Their height means that their bottom protrudes further down into the valance.
Aircon radiators will also feature a boss (or bolt hole) for the fitting of an extra coolant temperature sensor. This allows the aircon to monitor the temperature of the radiator and increase the speed of the aircon fan if necessary, to prevent overheating.
Two sizes of radiator were available, and are known as UK and Tropical radiators. While not essential to the running of aircon, it is recommended to fit a tropical radiator to minimise the risk of overheating. However, it is possible to install aircon and keep your existing radiator, as long as it has the boss for the temperature sensor.


Deci ala de 440mm ar fi mai scurt, dar mai inalt. Oare ala de 550mm pt climat cald are mufa de senzor ? Ca daca are, treaba e ca si rezolvata. smile.gif

** ba nu, am verificat: ambele au inaltime de 440, unul e patrat 440x440, celalalt are 550x440. Ramane sa aflu daca asta lung are si mufa de AC si am rezolvat-o.

@bart: da, cred ca ai dreptate in ambele supozitii. Desi in carte e trecuta E0 (!), insa catalizator sigur are - l-am vazut cu ochii mei sub masina unsure.gif ... Insasi tipul motor e 256K1, presupun ca K-ul ala de acolo vine. Nu ca ar mai conta pentru Firea, dar ca idee.
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post Oct 24 2019, 12:13 PM
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Desi in carte e trecuta E0 (!), insa catalizator sigur are - l-am vazut cu ochii mei sub masina unsure.gif ... Insasi tipul motor e 256K1, presupun ca K-ul ala de acolo vine. Nu ca ar mai conta pentru Firea, dar ca idee.

Si E32 din 89 avea catalizator, tin minte ca in Germania era posibil sa fie incadrat la euro2 (sau era D2, nu mai tin minte) cu o modificare care facea amestecul mai sarac doar la pornire. Odata cald mergea oricum in closed-loop cu sonda lambda. Cu modificarea respectiva era voie cu masina respectiva in zone cu restrictii in functie de norme de poluare. La E39 diesel am o modifcare nemteasca, adica DPF aftermarket si o sigla verde cu 4 pe parbriz. Desi e euro 3 avea voie in orase cu limite anume.
Aici in Romania nu este posibil sa-ti adaptezi masina la norme noi, ai doar obligatii impuse de niste incompetenti.


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Aircon radiators will also feature a boss (or bolt hole) for the fitting of an extra coolant temperature sensor. This allows the aircon to monitor the temperature of the radiator and increase the speed of the aircon fan if necessary, to prevent overheating.


Asa e, ventilator are doua trepte (parca), ar fi de vazut daca ai asta functional, avand in vedere ca radiatorul nu e pentru AC. Poate nu trece la treapta cea mare cand e caz.


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Bulina verde cu 4 o am si eu in parbriz. Ce sa inteleg din asta ? unsure.gif


BTW, ne-a dat-o Firea la temelie fuyou_2.gif
http://bmwzone.ro/forums/index.php?showtopic=11734
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post Oct 24 2019, 02:40 PM
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Bulina verde cu 4 o am si eu in parbriz. Ce sa inteleg din asta ? unsure.gif

Ca ai voie peste tot in Germania
https://www.umweltplakette.org/schadstoffgr...-gruen-gelb-rot
Se acorda diferit in functie de combustibil, verde ar fi cam orice motorizare benzina cu catalizator, dar la diesel trebuie sa fie cel putin euro3 cu DPF.
Taxa din Bucuresti nu e o surpriza, zvonul si initiative exista de mult.



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Bine ca am voie in Germania, dar la Firea in ograda nu. fuyou_2.gif
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Ai voie in Voluntari smile.gif


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post Oct 28 2019, 10:13 AM
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Mi-ar fi placut sa o aduc la starea originala, dar imi e foarte greu sa gasesc o automata compatibila.
Sau o automata in general... rolleyes.gif

Am gasit una de iX tot de pe 2.5 - dar nu se potriveste carcasa pt ca are infipta in capat cutia de transfer.
Acelasi tip mai are un 4HP22, dar de 324d.... cu alte rapoarte si nu stiu din ce an.

Altcineva imi zicea ca a demontat n cutii automate inclusiv de pe modele 316/318 si toate-s la fel... mellow.gif

Pana si alea de M20 au diverse variante, pare ca mie imi trebuie E-9, masina fiind 1990. Nu stiu daca mai trebuie matchuit calc cutiei cu ECU motor, nu stiu daca de la alta cutie se potrivesc conductele hidraulice etc etc. E o mare bataie de cap sad.gif

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That is too complicated in my opinion, your 1992 E32 735 has a newer version E-9. First of all, the 1992 valve body has a 7-pin port.
The Electronic Control system was first introduced in 1986 and was incorporated into the totaly hydraulic 4HP-22 unit produced by ZF. It combines the hydraulic control of forward and reverse gear engagement, with electronic control for automatic upshifts from 1st thru 4th and automatic downshifts from 4th thru 1st gears. Three different versions of valve bodies have been used on BMW vehicles, with minor differences between them.

The 1st version, designated Early "E-7", has 5 solenoids on the valve body, was introduced in 1986 and used up thru 1989. This version includes a solenoid for reverse lockout.

The 2nd version, designated Late "E-7", has 5 solenoids on the valve body, was introduced in 1988 and used up thru Mid-1989. This version includes a solenoid for reverse lockout.

The 3rd version, designated "E-9", has 4 solenoids on the valve body, was introduced in Mid-1989 and used up thru 1994. This version uses a shift solenoid for the reverse lockout function.

valve bodies are different, trans control modules are different.


Cred ca am tot timpul din lume sa gasesc una automata "de la mama ei" in viitor, momentan inclin tot mai mult spre a monta un kit de 260 + timonerie + cardan, macar pt a merge corect pana atunci.
O alta dilema e radiatorul: sa iau unul mare pt cutie automata sau pt cutie manuala ? Ala de automata are racitor de ulei inclus, daca pun manuala ma incurca cu ceva ? Poate fi obturata intrarea de la cutie sau ceva de genul ?


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Automat vs manual.

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post Oct 29 2019, 05:55 AM
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Radiator pentru manual nu are conexiuni pentru racirea cutiei.
La E32 cu 4hp22 cutie nu comunica cu ecu de la motor, tot ce avea ca input era un potențiometru pe clapeta de accelerație și switch sub pedala de accelerație pentru kick down. Si evident selector prnd321 si buton s, e, m.
As caută o cutie cat mai nouă, știu că generațiile mai vechi de 4hp22 aveau niste bug-uri. Cel din 89 pe e32 era ok ca și generație.
Dar nu cred că vrei sa o faci automata.


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Sunt prea multe variabile pentru remontarea cutiei automate, in acest moment.
sad.gif Nu am cunostintele, conexiunile in domeniu si nici timpul necesar. Poate candva pe viitor... momentan, sa mearga ea bine cu manuala.

Bart, ne poti povesti un pic cum e procedura de atestare ca vehicul istoric ?
Stiu ca teoretic - pasii sunt descrisi pe site la retromobil, dar cum viata bate filmul... Ma/ne intereseaza in special ce verifica exact inspectorul lor - dupa ce trimiti tu "dosarul" cu poze, acte etc.
Unde mai poate inchide ochii (zgarieturi, puncte de rugina, interior etc) si unde nu. Sau cum se desfasoara exact lucrurile, are o lista cu elemente verificabile, vine cu lista optiunilor deja extrase etc etc

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Procedura e sa intrii in legatura cu retromobil, te indrum ei mai apoi. Traseul nu este batut in cuie din cate am vazut eu.


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