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 May 27 2010, 09:14 AM
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18% BMW corupt  Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Oradea - Les Member No.: 1,574 Car: E32 Engine: 2,5 tds  |
Nu am spus la nimeni nimic pana acum, dar a venit momentul sa dau cartile pe fata. Din martie anul acesta am si un urs coupe fost 1.8 actual 2.5. Motorul m20b25 l-am luat de pe un urs accidentat care a stat 4 ani. Ieri am dat prima cheie dupa ce am montat motorul pe ursul meu si am unele probleme.
Prima ar fi cam mult fum negru pe evacuare, dupa aceea ar mai fi si un mers cam nashpa adica merge in 4 sau 5 si dupa aia merge perfect si tot asa. Am fost la o tura cu el si in a 3a incepe sa intrerupa si sa smuceasca. Dupa ce am ajuns acasa a inceput sa moara in telantiu, nu tot timpul si turatia in relanti e undeva la 500 rpm(dupa turometru) dar dupa sunet pare sa fie undeva la 8-900 rpm. Am uitat sa spun ca pompa de benzina e de la un opel omega 2.0i. Cea originala a fost furata. Mai e ceva. Langa mufa ce la ecu mai e o mufa mica cu 2 sau 3 pini.Instalatia de pe ursul meu nu are corespundent la mufa aceea. Unde vin legate acele fire? Astept pareri despre cum as putea rezolva problema. Multumesc anticipat. -------------------- O vorba veche...
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May 27 2010, 09:47 AM
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Fostul tau urs era carburatie?
Daca da, cred ca mufa asta e pentru semnalul catre indicatorul de consum instant din bord. Cumva intrerupe pana in 2000-2500rpm? Dac da, cel mai probabil aprinderea-i de vina. Mai verifica si sonda de temperatura care da temperatura motorului la ecu. -------------------- Inline 6 in a 5-er 4 ever
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May 27 2010, 09:50 AM
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 Beer Powered Group: Members Posts: 2,699 Joined: 9-October 06 Member No.: 460 Car: E36 Engine: M43B16 |
Eu as spune in primul rand sa vezi ce-i cu pompa, ce presiune baga. Pe realoem poti verifica debitul pentru cea originala, pentru asta de opel... chiar nu stiu site-uri. Cred ca asta-i prima problema pe lista de rezolvat. Posibil sa n-ai barii suficienti 
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May 27 2010, 09:53 AM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Administrators Posts: 8,514 Joined: 17-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 7 Car: E28 525i Engine: M30 2.5 147cp |
Cam greu de crezut ca o pompa de benzina nu face fata. Mai ales ca scoate fum negru.
Si una de 1.6 ar trebui sa faca fata cel putin acceptabil, macar la relanti. Mergand inecat, mai ai o chestie de verificat: regulatorul de presiune din rampa sa nu tina presiune prea mare.... putin probabil. Sau sa ai returul strangulat complet pentru ca anterior n-ar fi tinut regulatorul presiune deloc. Iar cu returul strangulat ai presiune mult mai mare in rampa. -------------------- Inline 6 in a 5-er 4 ever
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May 27 2010, 09:57 AM
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Beer Powered Group: Members Posts: 2,699 Joined: 9-October 06 Member No.: 460 Car: E36 Engine: M43B16 |
Eu habar n-am cum e aia de opel sau ce injectie are. Poate-i da prea multa benzina daca scoate fum negru si n-apuca sa dea in retur surplusul?
Scrii in acelasi timp cu mine!! 
-------------------- Ex: M10B18(Pierburg)/18(L-Jetronic)/18(Pierburg)/M43TUB19/M20B20
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May 27 2010, 09:58 AM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Administrators Posts: 8,514 Joined: 17-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 7 Car: E28 525i Engine: M30 2.5 147cp |
no f..ing way, regulatorul ala de presiune ar trebui sa faca treaba. Ca doar n-a pus pompa de impins apa in canalele de irigatii. -------------------- Inline 6 in a 5-er 4 ever
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May 27 2010, 10:07 AM
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 zijdelings geïnteresseerd Group: Super Moderators Posts: 7,961 Joined: 14-January 07 From: around here Member No.: 530 Car: 114 2002 / E12 528 Engine: M10 100cp / M30 165cp |
QUOTE (TiL @ May 27 2010, 10:58 AM)  Ca doar n-a pus pompa de impins apa in canalele de irigatii. corect.Injectie e L-jetronic? -------------------- Black heart scarring darker still
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May 27 2010, 10:15 AM
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18% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Oradea - Les Member No.: 1,574 Car: E32 Engine: 2,5 tds |
a fost carburatie inainte, iar treaba cu returul am pus furtunul intr-ul flacon si vine cam slab benzina pe retur. la e32 3.0i venea benzina garla pe retur
QUOTE (bartro @ May 27 2010, 11:07 AM) corect.Injectie e L-jetronic? motronic si ecu e 173 QUOTE (TiL @ May 27 2010, 10:47 AM) Fostul tau urs era carburatie? Daca da, cred ca mufa asta e pentru semnalul catre indicatorul de consum instant din bord. Cumva intrerupe pana in 2000-2500rpm? Dac da, cel mai probabil aprinderea-i de vina. Mai verifica si sonda de temperatura care da temperatura motorului la ecu. cum se verifica acea sonda? QUOTE (TiL @ May 27 2010, 10:58 AM) no f..ing way, regulatorul ala de presiune ar trebui sa faca treaba. Ca doar n-a pus pompa de impins apa in canalele de irigatii. de la m30 2,8 merge regulatorul? -------------------- O vorba veche...
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May 27 2010, 11:32 AM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Administrators Posts: 8,514 Joined: 17-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 7 Car: E28 525i Engine: M30 2.5 147cp |
Nu m-am atins de M20-uri, nu stiu daca se pupa regulatorul de presiune: 1. daca s-o potrivi fizic. 2. daca are aceiasi parametri.
Sonda... cu un ohmmetru... ar trebui sa aiba anumite valori ale rezistentei la cald/ la rece. Dar nu le stiu. Mai simplu e sa-i scoti conectorul. Daca motorul isi schimba radical mersul sau chiar moare, sunt sanse ca sa fie OK. Daca vine putina benzina pe retur e cam dubios. E bine totusi ca vine  Filtrul din ce veac e?QUOTE (xox @ May 27 2010, 10:57 AM) Scrii in acelasi timp cu mine!! Te urmaresc, ca nu tii cu basescu. -------------------- Inline 6 in a 5-er 4 ever
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May 27 2010, 12:40 PM
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18% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Oradea - Les Member No.: 1,574 Car: E32 Engine: 2,5 tds |
QUOTE (TiL @ May 27 2010, 12:32 PM) Nu m-am atins de M20-uri, nu stiu daca se pupa regulatorul de presiune: 1. daca s-o potrivi fizic. 2. daca are aceiasi parametri. Sonda... cu un ohmmetru... ar trebui sa aiba anumite valori ale rezistentei la cald/ la rece. Dar nu le stiu. Mai simplu e sa-i scoti conectorul. Daca motorul isi schimba radical mersul sau chiar moare, sunt sanse ca sa fie OK. Daca vine putina benzina pe retur e cam dubios. E bine totusi ca vine Filtrul din ce veac e?fizic se potriveste iar ca performante nu stiu. filtrul e nou nout. treaba cu schimbatul mersului la scoaterea si punerea mufei pe sonda e relativa...la e 32 scoteam mufa si crestea turatia relantiului, la 2.5 nu am incercat... am curatat tot ce era de curatat. mai departe...... -------------------- O vorba veche...
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May 27 2010, 01:08 PM
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zijdelings geïnteresseerd Group: Super Moderators Posts: 7,961 Joined: 14-January 07 From: around here Member No.: 530 Car: 114 2002 / E12 528 Engine: M10 100cp / M30 165cp |
Nu se schimbe nu stiu ce cand scoti mufa, dar tot ceva sa schimbe. Sonda lambda are si e conectat? Vezi daca merge mai bine fara sonda conectat (si eventual resetat ECU prin decuplare baterie ceva minute).
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May 27 2010, 01:38 PM
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18% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Oradea - Les Member No.: 1,574 Car: E32 Engine: 2,5 tds |
QUOTE (bartro @ May 27 2010, 02:08 PM) Nu se schimbe nu stiu ce cand scoti mufa, dar tot ceva sa schimbe. Sonda lambda are si e conectat? Vezi daca merge mai bine fara sonda conectat (si eventual resetat ECU prin decuplare baterie ceva minute). Merg acasa de la munca si incerc sa scot mufa afara sa vad ce face. Sonda lambda are si e conectata. De resetat e fara baterie de ieri ca am pus-o la incarcat -------------------- O vorba veche...
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May 27 2010, 02:23 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Administrators Posts: 8,514 Joined: 17-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 7 Car: E28 525i Engine: M30 2.5 147cp |
Ideea e sa o scoti cand motorul e cald. Nu stiu la motronic cum e, dar jetronic stiu ca moare daca scoti mufa din sonda de temperatura.
-------------------- Inline 6 in a 5-er 4 ever
E28 528i, E39 525i touring, E39 520i touring, E53 X5 4.4i, E70 X5 3.0si, E46 318i ex E39 520i exclusive, E39 525tds, E46 318d touring, E28 525i, E34 525i, E28 524td, E30 318i, E28 525i |
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May 27 2010, 02:25 PM
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18% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Oradea - Les Member No.: 1,574 Car: E32 Engine: 2,5 tds |
QUOTE (TiL @ May 27 2010, 03:23 PM) Ideea e sa o scoti cand motorul e cald. Nu stiu la motronic cum e, dar jetronic stiu ca moare daca scoti mufa din sonda de temperatura. merg de la munca si incerc sa vad ce imi iese. -------------------- O vorba veche...
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May 27 2010, 02:55 PM
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Roadrunner Group: Members Posts: 2,379 Joined: 10-November 07 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 1,273 Car: E39 Engine: M57D30 |
filtrul de benzina e pus bine? ca parca are o sageata pe el care indica sensul de montare, cum trebuie sa circule benzina prin el. zic, ca si eu eram aproape sa-l montez invers, dar am vazut sageata la timp.
ai mai putea avea problema cu fumul de la un vacuum prost, un furtun crapat sau ceva ce nu e mufat unde trebuie. -------------------- Cash only, no I will not trade + cash for your ETA, nor do I want any wheels, ex girlfriends, puppies, or sexual favors....well maybe but PM me about that one
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May 27 2010, 03:49 PM
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zijdelings geïnteresseerd Group: Super Moderators Posts: 7,961 Joined: 14-January 07 From: around here Member No.: 530 Car: 114 2002 / E12 528 Engine: M10 100cp / M30 165cp |
QUOTE (TiL @ May 27 2010, 03:23 PM) Ideea e sa o scoti cand motorul e cald. Nu stiu la motronic cum e, dar jetronic stiu ca moare daca scoti mufa din sonda de temperatura. La e32 doar sa schimbe nitel mersului -------------------- Black heart scarring darker still
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May 27 2010, 07:46 PM
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 0% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 20-January 08 From: Iasi Member No.: 1,422 Car: E28 Engine: M20B20 |
Cam aceleasi simptome le aveam si eu, era membrana regulatorului de presiune sparta. Scoate-i furtunul de vacuum in timp ce merge motorul si daca curge benzina e dus. Cel de m30 e la 3 bari, teoretic iti trebuie de 2,5 bari dar de o proba merge si asa.
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May 28 2010, 06:28 AM
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18% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Oradea - Les Member No.: 1,574 Car: E32 Engine: 2,5 tds |
Am schimbat ieri pompa de benzina si acum merge rotund, fara fum, nu mai intrerupe in sarcina dar la accelerare usoara are tendinta sa moara prima data si dupa aia se tureaza. La accelerare brusca e ok. -------------------- O vorba veche...
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May 28 2010, 11:23 AM
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zijdelings geïnteresseerd Group: Super Moderators Posts: 7,961 Joined: 14-January 07 From: around here Member No.: 530 Car: 114 2002 / E12 528 Engine: M10 100cp / M30 165cp |
QUOTE (Chychy @ May 28 2010, 07:28 AM) La accelerare brusca e ok. BMW E30 -------------------- Black heart scarring darker still
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May 28 2010, 12:13 PM
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18% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Oradea - Les Member No.: 1,574 Car: E32 Engine: 2,5 tds |
Deci ce mai pot sa fac la el sa mearga impecabil??? In afara de intarzierea la accelerarea usoara parca un pic porneste greu sau m-am invatat cu dizelache care porneste la sfert?????
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May 28 2010, 12:55 PM
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zijdelings geïnteresseerd Group: Super Moderators Posts: 7,961 Joined: 14-January 07 From: around here Member No.: 530 Car: 114 2002 / E12 528 Engine: M10 100cp / M30 165cp |
Motronic la M30 nu porneste la sfert, adica sa invarte un pic pana porneste. Cred ca socoteste calculator ceva pana da drum. Insa, iarna la -17 porneste la fel ca vara la +40
.La mine raspuns la accelerare fin s-a imbunatatit cu schimbare de valva de presiune de benzina si schimbare de debitmetru, dar tot un pic de intarziere are, mai ales cand nu am mers de ceva timp cu masina. -------------------- Black heart scarring darker still
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May 28 2010, 01:05 PM
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18% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Oradea - Les Member No.: 1,574 Car: E32 Engine: 2,5 tds |
QUOTE (bartro @ May 28 2010, 01:55 PM) Motronic la M30 nu porneste la sfert, adica sa invarte un pic pana porneste. Cred ca socoteste calculator ceva pana da drum. Insa, iarna la -17 porneste la fel ca vara la +40 .La mine raspuns la accelerare fin s-a imbunatatit cu schimbare de valva de presiune de benzina si schimbare de debitmetru, dar tot un pic de intarziere are, mai ales cand nu am mers de ceva timp cu masina. cu pornitul am inteles. valva am verificat si pare ok. debitmetru de 2.5i nu am de unde sa i-au pt proba. -------------------- O vorba veche...
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May 28 2010, 01:08 PM
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zijdelings geïnteresseerd Group: Super Moderators Posts: 7,961 Joined: 14-January 07 From: around here Member No.: 530 Car: 114 2002 / E12 528 Engine: M10 100cp / M30 165cp |
Poate isi mai revine cand mergi mai des cu masina.
LE: asa porneste iarna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3HEMy9_F10 This post has been edited by bartro: May 28 2010, 01:12 PM -------------------- Black heart scarring darker still
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May 28 2010, 02:45 PM
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18% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Oradea - Les Member No.: 1,574 Car: E32 Engine: 2,5 tds |
QUOTE (bartro @ May 28 2010, 02:08 PM) Poate isi mai revine cand mergi mai des cu masina. sa incerc sa curat "motorasul" ala de relanti?? -------------------- O vorba veche...
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May 28 2010, 02:55 PM
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zijdelings geïnteresseerd Group: Super Moderators Posts: 7,961 Joined: 14-January 07 From: around here Member No.: 530 Car: 114 2002 / E12 528 Engine: M10 100cp / M30 165cp |
Daca nu ai probleme cu ralanti, nu vad de ce..
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May 28 2010, 05:31 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Administrators Posts: 8,514 Joined: 17-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 7 Car: E28 525i Engine: M30 2.5 147cp |
Un diesel clasic bun porneste instant, la fel ca un benzinar pe carburatie.
Injectia are o intarziere, dar parca nu atat de mare ca in filmuletul lui Bart. Oricum, nu stiu de ce mi se pare ca automatele se invartesc mai mult pana pornesc. -------------------- Inline 6 in a 5-er 4 ever
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May 28 2010, 06:27 PM
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 100% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 1,891 Joined: 18-February 07 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 658 Car: E21 Engine: M10 1.6 90cp |
M20-ul meu L-jet porneste la sfert. Cred ca totul tine de cat de 'oglinda' sunt contactele ...
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May 28 2010, 06:29 PM
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zijdelings geïnteresseerd Group: Super Moderators Posts: 7,961 Joined: 14-January 07 From: around here Member No.: 530 Car: 114 2002 / E12 528 Engine: M10 100cp / M30 165cp |
QUOTE (05aBi @ May 28 2010, 07:27 PM) M20-ul meu L-jet porneste la sfert. Cred ca totul tine de cat de 'oglinda' sunt contactele ... Motronic e deja alceva. -------------------- Black heart scarring darker still
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May 28 2010, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (TiL @ May 28 2010, 06:31 PM) Oricum, nu stiu de ce mi se pare ca automatele se invartesc mai mult pana pornesc. E doar o impresie. A mea porneşte la sfert şi e automată. |
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May 28 2010, 11:40 PM
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zijdelings geïnteresseerd Group: Super Moderators Posts: 7,961 Joined: 14-January 07 From: around here Member No.: 530 Car: 114 2002 / E12 528 Engine: M10 100cp / M30 165cp |
Habar n-am. Dar nu prea am vazut M30 motronic sa porneasca alftel fata de al meu. In fil sa invarte un pic mai lent pentru ca a fost cam frig.
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May 29 2010, 01:15 AM
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Beer Powered Group: Members Posts: 2,699 Joined: 9-October 06 Member No.: 460 Car: E36 Engine: M43B16 |
QUOTE (TiL @ May 27 2010, 10:53 AM) Cam greu de crezut ca o pompa de benzina nu face fata. Mai ales ca scoate fum negru. Iote ca pompa era
-------------------- Ex: M10B18(Pierburg)/18(L-Jetronic)/18(Pierburg)/M43TUB19/M20B20
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May 29 2010, 12:09 PM
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100% BMW corupt Group: Administrators Posts: 8,514 Joined: 17-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 7 Car: E28 525i Engine: M30 2.5 147cp |
-------------------- Inline 6 in a 5-er 4 ever
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May 29 2010, 01:40 PM
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zijdelings geïnteresseerd Group: Super Moderators Posts: 7,961 Joined: 14-January 07 From: around here Member No.: 530 Car: 114 2002 / E12 528 Engine: M10 100cp / M30 165cp |
Asta e, cu injectie adaptiva.
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May 29 2010, 10:08 PM
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18% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Oradea - Les Member No.: 1,574 Car: E32 Engine: 2,5 tds |
am curatat motorasul ala si acum merge aparent bine. nu se mai balbaie dupa ce a pornit primele secunde. urmeaza maine sa o scot la o tura sa vad cum se comparta. apropo, are cineva o sonda pt termocupla pt radiator de e28??
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May 31 2010, 11:00 AM
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18% BMW corupt Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Oradea - Les Member No.: 1,574 Car: E32 Engine: 2,5 tds |
in sfarsit masina merge bine. mai am de rezolvat problema termocuplei care inca ma zgarie pe creier. azi dupa ce voi pleca de la munca o sa schimb franele fata sa trec de la discuri pline la ventilate
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