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post Apr 12 2007, 09:01 PM
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dau la cheie, porneste.. merge 5-10 secunde dar f. prost (in 3), scoate fum si apoi moare
daca incerc sa o accelerez moare instant.

bujiile sunt ok (negre dar perfect uscate).. oricum nu s-ar comporta asa de la bujii.. ori n-ar porni, ori ar porni si ar merge prost.. nu cred ca s-ar opri.

am testat cu alt debitmetru (bun) si tot la fel face.

oricum pare problema de alimentare, dar nu prea stiu ce sa verific.
am scos furtunu de la retur si baga benzina, dar problema e ca nu stiu cat de repede trebuie sa curga..
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post Apr 12 2007, 09:15 PM
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deci.. eu am mai vb cu tine pe tema asta
eu am mai intalnit simptomul asta la computer naspa, am chiar in casa un computer naspa iar simptomul masinii este identic cu ce ai tu , porneste 3-5 secunde dupa care moara iar daca vreau sa accelerez nu se accelereaza
pompa de benzina poti sa o verifici in felul urmator: alimenteaz-o separat (tragi 2 fire +/- ) si o lasi sa mearga 30 sec, ar trebui sa bage 1,5l
altceva... nu stiu ce sa-ti zic
a, incearca sa strangulezi furtunul de retur, poate nu mai tine regulatorul presiunea in rampa, dar nu ft mult timp sa nu-ti plezneasca ceva pe acolo


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post Apr 13 2007, 04:02 PM
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Am fost si eu cand a incercat pompa. La prima impresie pompeaza suficient, chiar daca sunetul pompei mi s-a parut ciudat, ca si cand ar fi niste scurturi sau contacte imperfecte acolo.

Intrebare: pompa are senzor de presiune care, atunci cand pui contact o face sa nu pompeze timp de ~ 1 secunda? (stiti bazaitul tipic, scurt care se aude la injectie). Pentru ca ma asteptam ca atunci cand pune contact sa arunce putina benzina dupa regulatorul de presiune, spre retur. Dar la el nu arunca decat in momentul in care incearca sa-l porneasca. E normal?

Si eu ma tem ca poate fi dus computerul dar zic sa verifice pompa si regulatorul de pe rampa intai.

Furtunul de retur e cam greu de strangulat ca-i scurt si gros. Oare ce se intampla daca-l scoate si astupa iesirea din regulator cu degetul? biggrin.gif


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post Apr 13 2007, 04:12 PM
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post Apr 13 2007, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE (TiL @ Apr 13 2007, 05:02 PM) *
chiar daca sunetul pompei mi s-a parut ciudat, ca si cand ar fi niste scurturi sau contacte imperfecte acolo.


sunetul ala gen scurt il face cand nu porneste masina (vechea problema cu pornitu).. se rezolva miscand manunchiul gros de fire de sub bord..
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post Aug 15 2007, 06:54 PM
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acum nu mai porneste deloc.
nu are scanteie sad.gif
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post Aug 15 2007, 10:55 PM
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dude...cel mai bine nu mai face pe minitehnicus...si du-te la cineva care se pricepe


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post Aug 16 2007, 05:18 AM
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QUOTE (florin83 @ Apr 12 2007, 10:01 PM) *
dau la cheie, porneste.. merge 5-10 secunde dar f. prost (in 3), scoate fum si apoi moare
daca incerc sa o accelerez moare instant.


Nu stiu cat de relevant este dar exact aceleasi simptome le-am avut si eu cand am pornit de cateva ori cu mufa de la debitmetru scoasa.


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post Aug 16 2007, 06:57 AM
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Incearca sa iei un debimetru de la cineva, inprumut sa vezi daca face la fel. Si la mine facea la fel, dar nu asa de rau ca la tine.
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post Aug 16 2007, 07:55 AM
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nu are scanteie.. ce treaba are debitmetru ?
oricum o sa incerc si cu altul.
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post Aug 16 2007, 08:34 AM
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deci ma enervezi rau ti-am mai zis:debitmetru,calculator,senzori,capac delco!!!! ori le iei si le schimbi pe toate ori unu cate unu probezi+verificat toate firele care par suspecte.daca nu metrge si nu merge faci rost de o instalatie noua


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QUOTE (alex230ro @ Aug 16 2007, 09:34 AM) *
deci ma enervezi rau ti-am mai zis:debitmetru,calculator,senzori,capac delco!!!! ori le iei si le schimbi pe toate ori unu cate unu probezi+verificat toate firele care par suspecte.daca nu metrge si nu merge faci rost de o instalatie noua


Si cu si fara debitmetru face la fel. Si cu si fara ICV face la fel. Calculatorul se duce destul de greu. Capacul de la delcou e nou, rotorul e cam paliu dar mai merge. Mai raman senzorii de pe cutie de masurat si releul de la ECU.


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eu raman la parerea mea, e din computer


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post Aug 16 2007, 09:15 PM
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am luat computerul de la da_joint.. l-am pus, a pornit, dar la fel.. dupa 2-3 secunde moare.. (ieri cu al meu nici nu mai pornea si ma gandeam ca s-a dus al meu)..
l-am pus inapoi pe al meu si face la fel.. porneste si dupa 2-3 secunde moare.
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post Aug 16 2007, 09:45 PM
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deci ai scanteie .nu mai ne minti .daca a pornit inseamna ca are scanteie ,deci poate a ramas pompa de benzina blocata sau sa stricat pur si simplu
bazaia cand pui comntactul??poate ai scanteie da nu ai alimentare
ia verifica pompa..da joint daca nu vii maine cu masina nu mai am cand sa o fac asta off topic

simptomele astea le am avut si eu
si ghici ce era pompa de benzina .care baga cat de cat nu cum trebuia.asa ca verifica pompa repet pompa benzina sau supapa retur


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post Aug 17 2007, 11:53 AM
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pai inainte pornea da murea, apoi nici nu mai pornea (nu avea scanteie)..
am luat calculatorul de la jointu si pornea dar murea. l-am pus pe al meu si pornea si cu asta, dar la fel.. murea
benzina vine, pompa se aude, dar poate totusi n-are debitul necesar. o sa incerc sa fac rost de o pompa sa incerc..sad.gif
chiar, are careva o pompa sa-mi dea si mie imprumut? biggrin.gif
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dar sa pornesti cu pedala de acceleratie apasata ai incercat?
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post Aug 17 2007, 01:58 PM
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am incercat.
nu merge, nu se schimba nimic daca o apas sau nu, moare dupa 2-3 secunde
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ciudat
ia vezi daca atunci cand misti de acceleratie in capat auzi un clic , si verifica toate furtunele de pe admisei sa nu traga aer fals sau ceva asemanator ... caci am asa o impresie ca este o problema minora


deasemenaa verifica daca filtrul de benzina este montat corect si nu invers .... alex asa a facut si la fel facea


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Incearca sa inlocuiesti senzorul de aprindere!
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post Aug 17 2007, 02:24 PM
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filtru de benzina e montat de un an si ceva, deci nu cred ca are legatura

care e senzorul de aprindere? huh.gif
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probabil cred ca se refera la senzorul de pe fulie dar ala nu are treaba din moment ce porneste
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doar nu au umblat cei de la vopsitorie sa deregleze clapetele sau s astrice senzori.vezi daca ti baga presiunea necesara fa rost de o pompa.acuma iti mai vine scanteie?


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era defecta inainte sa o duc la vopsit tongue.gif

o sa incerc sa fac rost de pompa. scanteie are din moment ce porneste pt putin..
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ok.ai zis ca la un moment dat nu mai avea scanteie.te contrazici singur.de aia am mai intrebat .vezi de pompa si supapa retur


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si am scris de 2 ori ca s-a intamplat o data sa nu mai aiba..in rest are, porneste da moare!!!
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daca vrei am o pompa buna cu care poti face proba...
si incearca sa strangulezi furtunul de retur...sau daca vrei am si o 'supapa de retur' sau cum naiba ii spune poti sa vii sa o incerci si pe asta...
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daca strangulezi furtunu pompa tre sa bage de a 5 bari pana la 8 bari.daca ai cu ce sa masori tongue.gif da oricum daca te ajuta omu ia si supapa si pompa


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Salut incearca sa verifici in felul urmator,ar trebui sa mai fie cineva cu tine care sa te ajute.Prima oara scoate fisa centrala exact de acolo de la bobina ,tine-o la o distanta atat incat sa vezi scanteia daca exista,Pune pe altcineva sa dea la automat macar 5 secunde sau mai bine 10 deci sa depasesti timpul in care tie iti merge masina ,o data ce ai constatat ca ai scanteie mai mult de 5 secunde treci la etapa urmatoare:scoti furtunul care IESE din regulatorul de benzina si ori doar pui contactul si ar trebui ca pompa sa bage benzina pt o secunda ,daca nu dai la automat o secunda,in cazul in care iese benzina pe acolo este clar ca vei avea presiunea necesara si debitul necesar macar pt ca motorul sa stea la relanti.Acum dupa ce ai vazut ca iti vine benzina pe acolo treci la urmatoarea etapa.Faza e stet ca prima si prima oara sa te asiguri ca fiecare fisa este la locul ei pe bujie adica ca ordinea de aprindere este corecta :153624.Asta este de fapt primul lucru pe car etrebuie sa il faci.Acum dupa faza cu benzina treci la urmatoarea etapa:masori sensorul de temperatura daca ohmajul este corect atunci vezi ca mufa mama care intra in senzorul de temperatura are un burdufel de cauciuc ,dai usor burdufelul acela de cauciuc la o parte si te asiguri ca nici unul din cele doua fire nu este rupt.Dupa care daca nici acum nu ai descoperit nimic atunci te duci la mufa debitmetrului si faci acelasi lucru te asiguri ca sub acel burduf nu este nici un fir rupt.Daca nici pana acum nu este nic care sa iti atraga atentia inseamna ca chiar trebuie si fie cineva acolo care chiar se pricepe si sa intre mai adanc in problema.Te-as fi ajutat cu cea mai mare placere dar sunt prea departe.


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da vino ba incoa sa ma ajuti sa termin cs scuze de offtopic.si sai faci si lui masina:P


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QUOTE (INTERCEPTOR @ Aug 18 2007, 11:50 PM) *
da vino ba incoa sa ma ajuti sa termin cs scuze de offtopic.si sai faci si lui masina:P
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da ?ca ce chestie?? nu ma rugat nimeni
si acuma oricum e prea tarziu .vedeti voi va pricepeti ,face ti o odata ca ma enervez.masian vopsita si nu merge


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pey hai odata, s-o vedem pe strazi!!!


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m-a ajutat uwe si am pornit-o acum cateva zile...smile.gif
cred ca e ori debitmetru, ori regulatorul de relanti..
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QUOTE (florin83 @ Sep 1 2007, 08:04 PM) *
m-a ajutat uwe si am pornit-o acum cateva zile...smile.gif
cred ca e ori debitmetru, ori regulatorul de relanti..
merge, dar f. prost. trebuie sa incerc cu altele.

eu zic sa pui un debitmetru bun si va merge f. bine
ai vazut ca dupa ce am apasat pe clemele din debitmetru mergea f. bine motorul
ai placuta aia zgariata rau (tocita)
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la cata forja ii da florin............ debitmetru sunt ca placutele de frana biggrin.gif
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Am pus debitmetrul si regulatorul meu si tot nu a pornit sad.gif
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Ti-am spus FLORINE ca este de la debimetru. La fel am patit si eu dar ma lasat in trafic.
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pai nu este de la debitmetru tongue.gif
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QUOTE (Gabi_323i @ Sep 4 2007, 11:51 AM) *
sunt curios cand reusesti sa o faci blink.gif


probabil ca daca as duce-o la un mester as face-o imediat..
dar nu prea ma agit.. mai testez una-alta la cateva zile tongue.gif
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QUOTE (florin83 @ Sep 4 2007, 03:04 PM) *
probabil ca daca as duce-o la un mester as face-o imediat..
dar nu prea ma agit.. mai testez una-alta la cateva zile tongue.gif

bine ca poti sa stai cu masina vopsita... bibilita.. dar sa nu poti merge cu ea
eu nu as putea
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Si RZW-ul e fiert de cateva zile de cand a scos-o de la vopsit. Nu mai are rabdare sa terminam de montat la loc. Maine e gata. laugh.gif


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hopa,de RZW nu stiam ca o vopseste...ce culoare a facut-o?


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adica.... toti (joint, vlad, florin si RZW) ati vosit masinile in acelasi loc? daca da, cred ca ar trebui sa faca discount substantial membrilor BMWZONE cei de la vopsitorie tongue.gif

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rzw nu a vopsit-o tot acolo..
in schimb ai uitat sa-l treci pe CRM pe lista ta tongue.gif
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QUOTE (florin83 @ Sep 5 2007, 06:24 PM) *
rzw nu a vopsit-o tot acolo..
in schimb ai uitat sa-l treci pe CRM pe lista ta tongue.gif

OK
jointu, vlad, florin si... CRM

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e bine asa?

edit: ca sa revenim la topic... cand o faci sa porneasca sa vedem daca mai fuge ca inainte ? tongue.gif


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QUOTE (florin83 @ Nov 4 2007, 07:31 PM) *
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