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post Jun 22 2006, 07:56 PM
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De ce sunt mai bine vazute cutiile manuale decat cele secventiale?
Banuiesc ca nimeni nu poate sa schimbe viteza in 90/150ms!
Care ar fi dezavantajele?
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post Jun 22 2006, 08:47 PM
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nabar nu am... dar eu zic ca e mai bine sa simti tu treapta de viteza... sa o simti frate ca esti in ea... ca tu ai schimbat-o... nu stiu.
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post Jun 22 2006, 09:10 PM
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si eu cred ca pana la un punct este vorba despre obisnuinta. cutia secventiala este mult mai comoda pentru condusul in oras, nu ti se opreste motorul (daca esti incepator, ma rog...)
dar, daca ar fi asa de fantastica secventiala, de ce ar mai avea optiune de manuala ?

aberez, dar ce stiu e ca nu imi vine sa ma urc la volan in masina cu secventiala, nici macar de curiozitate...
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Am si eu o intrebare referitor la cutia automata: face frana de motor? Daca da cand?
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Am si eu o intrebare referitor la cutia automata: face frana de motor? Daca da cand?

cand iei piciorul de pe acceleratie face frana de motor si schimba inferior etc... sau se poate face frana de motor din viteze (manual)


oricum depinde de la masina la masina
cele mai tari automate le face mercedesul

secventialele sunt altceva... ai avantajul de a schimba viteza fara sa calci ambreiajul (folosesti doar la treapta 1 sau la schimbari in jos)
problema e ca nu rezista foarte mult ,poate un sezon

"secventialele" de pe masini de strada sunt mai mult niste manuale comandate electronic.. oricum nu le vad rostul.. iti iau mult din placerea de a conduce .


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post Jun 22 2006, 10:06 PM
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De ce sunt mai bine vazute cutiile manuale decat cele secventiale?


Poate ar fi bine sa clasificam cumva lucrurile.

Dupa modul intern de functionare, cutiile de viteze sunt:
- manuale (cele clasice, cu doua sau trei perechi de arbori si cate un set de pinioane angrenate direct si permanent, pentru fiecare treapta de viteza);
- automate (cu convertor de cuplu si angrenaje planetare);
- cu variatie continua (care au un lant / curea care transmite cuplul de la arborele principal la cel secundar).

La cutiile manuale, exista mai multe mecanisme de a schimba vitezele:
- clasic (acea forma arhi-cunoscuta de "H", la care prin miscarea fatza-spate a manetei schimbatoului se cupleaza vitezele, iar prin miscarea laterala se selecteaza);
- secvential: furcile de cuplare / decuplare a vitezelor sunt conectate la un cilindru care are niste santuri special sapate, iar maneta de viteze are doar o miscare fatza - spate, prin care se roteste cilindrul un anumit numar de grade intr-un sens sau celalalt, si implicit cupleaza treapta imediat superioara / inferioara treptei curente. Sistemul secvential este folosit la motociclete si majoritatea masinilor de curse;
- printr-un sistem (semi) asistat / controlat de computer (de exemplu, la cutiile SMG de la BMW).

Deci, cutiile manuale si cele secventiale sunt in esenta acelasi tip de cutie de viteza ("manuale", clasice) diferenta constand in mecanismul de selectare / cuplare a treptelor de viteza.

Exista tone de informatii pe Net, pe acest subiect.
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post Jun 22 2006, 11:09 PM
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post Jun 22 2006, 11:26 PM
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post Jun 22 2006, 11:43 PM
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post Jun 22 2006, 11:51 PM
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cand conduci un bmw din start ai impresie buna biggrin.gif ...ca la unele e mai putin buna...asta e partea a doua smile.gif
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post Jun 23 2006, 01:27 AM
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n-am condus masina cu secventiala, dar cred ca e mai misto decat manuala.. smile.gif
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post Jun 24 2006, 08:01 PM
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Eu, spre exemplu tot auzeam ca tot alea manuale clasice sunt mai tari, dar stau si ma gandesc cum ai putea sa schimbi viteza in 150ms cu o cutie manuala? 150ms inseamna fix o clipire din ochi(din momentul inchiderii ochiului pana la deschiderea lui completa)!
Imposibil de realizat cu o cutie manuala clasica!
Plus ca ai avantaj indirect de a-ti tine ambele picioare pe cate o pedala! Deci timpi morti la franare/accelerare mai mici!
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post Jun 25 2006, 12:45 PM
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Cu o secventiala nu poti sa dai 1-a -> a 2-a -> a 4-a asa cum faceam eu cu 525-ul prin oras... Alt dezavantaj nu-mi trece prin cap.


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si care ar fi avantajul fazei ? :retard:
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post Jun 25 2006, 05:48 PM
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da cu secventiala poti sa dai de ex din 5 in 2? sau trebuie sa mergi 5 ,4 ,3 ,2?
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post Jun 25 2006, 05:57 PM
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pai cred ca de-aia-i zice secventiala, ca trebuie sa parcurgi toata secventa de trepte, nu poti sari.


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Eu ma gandesc ca trebuie sa treaca singur in trapta inferioara.

Daca eu ma duc afara din oras cu ~130 in treapta 5 si trebuie sa franzez violent pana la ~30 km/h nu ar fi logic sa coboare el automat treapta? la manuala calc ambreajul dar aici? ma lasa sa pornesc cu a 5 -a de pe loc? se poate?
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post Jun 25 2006, 06:09 PM
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Probabil ca la frana violenta intr-a 5-a trebuie sa-i dai 5 bucati s-o aduci la neutru, altfel omori motorul. Sau poti s-o pui pe automat, si-ti retrogradeaza singura.

Dar mai bine ne explica cineva care a folosit asa ceva, ca eu nu cunosc. Am secventiala doar la bicicleta, urca doar cate una, dar poate retrograda si doua odata biggrin.gif


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Chiar nimeni nu a condus asa ceva ? eu chiar sunt curios cum se retrogradeaza treptele :drool:
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post Jun 26 2006, 10:22 AM
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nu trebuie sa retrogadezi manual.. la franare violenta scade singura treapta de viteza , si chestia e valabila si cind accelerezi.. schimba singura in sus daca uita soferul.. altfel nu ar fi utilizabile in oras etc.


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post Jun 26 2006, 03:00 PM
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Deci nu exista/n-au existat secventiale fara modul pentru schimbare automata?

Adica sa fie ca la bicicleta, schimbi, pedalezi mai lent, dar mai greu, nu schimbi, te turezi de-ti sar tenishii din picioare biggrin.gif


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vorbeam de smg si alte mecanice comandate electronic..

secventialele folosite pe masinile de raliu vechi nu aveau electronica.. deci nu schimbau singure
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post Jun 26 2006, 09:33 PM
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Eu unul cred ca o cutie secventiala este exact ca una manuala numai ca actioneaza singura ambreiajul!
Nu e ca una automata sa stie sa coboare in trepte sau asa ceva decat daca ar avea program auto, Enzo nu are decat secventiala manual(spre exemplu) deci nu stie sa schimbe singura!
Daca franezi violent cu o cutie manuala retrogradezi singur in trepta necesara, la fel si la secventiala, apesi de 4-5 ori consecutiv clapeta DOWN!
Daca e sa poti pleca cu a 5-a de pe loc cu una manuala vei pleca si cu una secventiala! Daca nu, nu!
Avantajul la o cutie secventiala e ca schimba extrem de rapid, cel putin pe hartie, desi prin reviste citeam ca ar aparea intarzieri la schimbarea treptelor!

Interesant de aflat ar fi reperele softwarelui pt ambreiaj, mai exact cat de repede apasa sau da drumul la ambreiaj in diferite conditii(gen demaraj in "tromba", sau franari bruste, sau daca decupleaza in caz de frana de motor sau nu).
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enzo are padle shift dupa cate stiam eu, asta inseamna comanda electronica, sunt 99,9% sigur ca schimba automat.


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Cred ca bec a vrut sa spuna ca sigur schimba automat "in protectie" adica la limitele superioare si inferioare de turatii.
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A fully automatic option is not offered.

Cred ca bec a vrut sa spuna ca sigur schimba automat "in protectie" adica la limitele superioare si inferioare de turatii.
Si eu cred acelasi lucru.


binenteles.

mai ales ca "targetul" masinii nu cuprinde piloti ci mai mult ratati cu foarte multi bani.


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Si ca sa-ti cumperi un Enzo trebuia sa fii invitat de cei de la Ferrari sa il cumperi, nu te duceai si ziceai ca vrei un Enzo ca nu mergea. Am vazut cateva emisiuni pe Discovery cu chestia asta.


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Cand mi-am luat masina s-a pus problema cum sa fie, automata sau manuala. Raspunsul a fost de departe, manuala. Dupa parerea mea, cutia manuala are un feeling aparte, simti ca esti la volan si nu stai ca o momaie cu piciorul pe frana.

Nu stiu cum sunt cele secventiale si nu cred ca pentru un sofer obisnuit ar aduce ceva in plus fata de una clasica. La o cursa, da, conteaza cele cateva microsecunde in plus, dar la majoritatea soferilor (ca mine) nu prea conteaza si nu vad de ce as plati in plus pentru ceva ce nu-mi aduce un avantaj evident.

In plus nu-mi place ca masina sa fie plina de electronica peste tot ... unele chestii ar trebui sa ramana pur mecanice.

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Ce ti-e si cu evolutia asta.. (electronica mai peste tot) tongue.gif

Fiecare tip de cutie are avantajele, dezavantajele, precum si targetul ei. Comparatia o poti face obiectiv, doar dupa ce ai condus masini cu respectivele tipuri de c.v.

Cat despre c.v. automate la BMW (Steptronic), acestea au evoluat _mult_ fata de ce era acum ceva ani.

Eu daca mi-as lua un E60/90 nou, l-as lua cu Steptronic, clar.
Daca mi-as lua un M, probabil ca ar fi SMG, desi inca nu am avut ocazia sa testez una.
Daca mi-as lua un E36/34, cu siguranta ar fi manuala.

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post Mar 4 2007, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (sixx @ Mar 3 2007, 11:59 PM) *
Cat despre c.v. automate la BMW (Steptronic), acestea au evoluat _mult_ fata de ce era acum ceva ani.

Eu daca mi-as lua un E60/90 nou, l-as lua cu Steptronic, clar.


Singura masina cu cutie automata pe care am condus-o (si pentru putin timp doar) a fost un E90 330i la test drive-ul de la deschiderea AB din Baneasa. Si nu m-a incantat deloc. Raspundea greu la acceleratiile bruste (ca si cum ai fi apasat acceleratia treptat, nu brusc). Nu am avut timp sa incerc si pe modul manual.
Partea buna a acelui test drive este ca de atunci a inceput sa-mi placa E90-ul ca masina (desi spatele tot nu-mi place).

SMG-ul cred ca merita insa. La fel si DSG-ul de la VW (care e si mai reusit din ce-am citit), si parca multitronic-ul de la Audi.
Presupun ca merita si cutiile secventiale de la Ferrari, dar nu cred ca o sa am ocazia vreodata...


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post Mar 4 2007, 11:42 AM
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SMG 3 e mai rapid decat cutiile secventiale de pe ferrari
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