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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
Stie cineva o metoda in care sa montez si eu senzorii de la motronic 1 pe cutie? :unibrow:
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#2
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![]() 100% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Insiders Posts: 1,580 Joined: 20-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 37 Car: E46 Schwarz2 Engine: mic dar viguros ![]() |
da o gaura in cutie
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#3
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
draga jaffar ![]() vreau sa pun si eu senzorii de la motronic care dracu o fi el pe cutie, cum fac? la critici va pricepeti toti sunt curios daca e cineva in stare sa-mi dea o solutie florin are motronic 1 si are senzorii pe cutie si da_joint la fel, tu ai senzorul in fata la fulie si ai mufa de diagnostic mare? -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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#4
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![]() 100% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP ![]() |
QUOTE (Gabi_323i) florin are motronic 1 si are senzorii pe cutie si da_joint la fel, tu ai senzorul in fata la fulie si ai mufa de diagnostic mare?
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#5
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
=))) ce updateuri ma, virus definitions?
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#6
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![]() 100% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP ![]() |
QUOTE (jaffar) si n-are nimeni senzori pe cutie.
nu ma pricep, dar cand am schimbat ambreiaju am vazut 2 chestii pe cutie de la care pleca 2 fire.. banuiesc ca aia sunt, nu? |
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
aaaaaa, deci tu ai motronic 1.3?
nu cred ca e din fabrica, motronic 1.3 s-a pus spre sfarsitul lui 88 daca nu ma insel florin are senzorii de la motronic pe cutie exista modele cu 2 senzori pe cutie sau cu un senzor in fata -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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#8
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![]() 100% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP ![]() |
eu zic de firele alea 2!
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#9
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
merci
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#10
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
de pe coroana nu am cum sa-i montez pt ca pe cutia mea nu exista gauri pt ei inca mai astept sugestii -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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#11
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
e coroana normala
e automata cutia :puke: -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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#12
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
QUOTE (jaffar) si ce, n-ai avut automata inainte ? back to the roots... :unibrow:
e naspa rau :crybaby: -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
oala? adica carcasa de la ambreiaj? e dintr-o bucata cutia .... daca nu era automata luam cutia si gata .....
-------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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#14
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![]() 100% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP ![]() |
am si eu o intrebare: de ce vrei sa pui senzorii pe cutie? |
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#15
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82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 825 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 25 ![]() |
QUOTE (jaffar) cutiile automate sint dintr-o bucata [...]
Depinde de tipul de cutie manuala. La unele carcasa ambreiajului ("oala") este demontabila (Getrag 265 sau 262, de exemplu), la altele este turnata, deci nedemontabila (Getrag 260, de exemplu).
la manuala "oala" aia din jurul ambreiajului se poate da jos. |
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#16
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 863 Joined: 2-November 05 From: bucuresti Member No.: 84 Car: E30 Engine: M42 1,8 136CP ![]() |
si eu stiam ca este demontabila si am avut o mare surpriza sa descoparca ca de fapt nu este
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#17
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 863 Joined: 2-November 05 From: bucuresti Member No.: 84 Car: E30 Engine: M42 1,8 136CP ![]() |
daca te apuci sa gauresti cuia pt. a monta senzorii faci o gresala mare si o sa ai surprize
mai bine decupeaza cutia si gata |
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#18
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![]() 36% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() Group: Insiders Posts: 450 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Ottawa Member No.: 101 Car: e30 318is Engine: m42 +12psi of boost ![]() |
daca pastrezi cutia ta este clar ca trebuie sa faci o improvitatie si ai face bine sa gandesti montajul senzorilor sa fie mobil adica reglabil ca nu se stie daca o sa reusesti la fix si au mare influenta cateva grade decalate -------------------- UPGRADES SO FAR:12psi of boost,Fidanza 13lbs flywheel, M3 BULLY stage 3 clutch(240mm), getrag260 transmission,Coils over plugs (COP),Stock engine
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#19
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82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 825 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 25 ![]() |
Si probabil ca stii faptul ca, in timp ce unul din cei doi senzori "citeste" dintii de pe coroana volantei (senzor de turatie), cel de-al doilea "citeste" un alt pin de pe volanta, montat cu precizie intr-o anumita pozitie (senzor de referinta).
Cu alte cuvinte, iti trebuie volanta de Motronic 1.0 (deci care are acest pin de referinta), sau trebuie sa montezi tu unul pe o volanta de Jetronic. Deja, daca trebuie sa montezi tu si senzorii pe carcasa ambreiajului, si pin-ul de pe volanta, ai doua grade de libertate - in cazul de fata doua surse de eroare: pozitionarea senzorilor in carcasa + pozitionarea pinului in volanta. Din punctul de vedere al senzorului de turatie, instalarea nu este critica in acelasi plan cu volanta (deci nu conteaza cateva grade inainte / dupa pozitia normala), atat timp cat esti la distanta corecta fata de dintii volantei. Dar mi se pare foarte dificil sa reusesti sa pozitionezi corect atat senzorul de referinta cat si pin-ul pe care acesta il citeste pe volanta, fara sa ai date exacte si/sau sa ai la indemana un original pe care sa-l copiezi cat mai bine posibil. |
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#20
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
mda, am cam pus-o
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#21
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82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 825 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 25 ![]() |
QUOTE (Gabi_323i) mda, am cam pus-o Depinde. Daca vrei sa folosesti un ECU Motronic original, atunci, intr-adevar, trebuie sa nimeresti destul de precis pozitionarea senzorilor.
Daca folosesti un chip scris de la zero (mai exact, construit plecand de la maparile originale, dar adaptate conform situatiei tale), practic nu conteaza cum pui senzorii, atat timp cat ei citesc corect dinti coroanei, respectiv pinul de referinta. Apoi, determini cate grade ai abatere fata de setarea standard si aplici diferenta la toate valorile din maparea de aprindere (plus ceva optimizare, daca e cazul). Vorbeste cu cineva care se pricepe la ECU-uri. (later edit) |
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gabi, eu cred ca stiu exact ce vrei tu sa faci
cutia ta are pe carcasa ambreiajului locul unde ar trebui sa vina senzorii? daca nu , ma tem ca nu prea ai cum sa-i pui si iti trebuie volanta pt tipul de motor, dar pt cutie manuala, care are acel pin ca sa aibe ce citi senzorii. senzorii citesc pinul ala nu dintii volantei -------------------- "PUTEREA BATE CUPLU PT CA TOT TIMPUL VEI GASI O TREAPTA INFERIOARA UNDE SA O PUI"
"BMW E PENTRU DRUMURI LUNGI PE CARE SA LE FACI MAI REPEDE DECIT ORICINE PE SOSEA, SA MERGI TARE SI PE AUTOSTRADA SI PE SERPENTINE SI SA -I DAI 200 SI LA DEAL SI LA VALE" |
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82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 825 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 25 ![]() |
QUOTE (io's) senzorii citesc pinul ala nu dintii volantei La Motronic 1.0, doar senzorul de referinta citeste acel pin. Senzorul de viteza citeste dintii coroanei de pe volanta.
Vezi schema atasata. |
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aaaahaam... deci stiam prost
![]() omu' cat traieste invata! ![]() -------------------- "PUTEREA BATE CUPLU PT CA TOT TIMPUL VEI GASI O TREAPTA INFERIOARA UNDE SA O PUI"
"BMW E PENTRU DRUMURI LUNGI PE CARE SA LE FACI MAI REPEDE DECIT ORICINE PE SOSEA, SA MERGI TARE SI PE AUTOSTRADA SI PE SERPENTINE SI SA -I DAI 200 SI LA DEAL SI LA VALE" |
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![]() 100% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,263 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 13 Car: E36 325i Engine: M50 192CP ![]() |
gabita, nu mi-ai raspuns la intrebare.. de ce vrei sa ii pui pe cutie?
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
QUOTE (florin83) gabita, nu mi-ai raspuns la intrebare.. de ce vrei sa ii pui pe cutie?
dar unde dracu sai pun? :paranoid: nu exista 2.7 motronic 1.3 din pacate -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 863 Joined: 2-November 05 From: bucuresti Member No.: 84 Car: E30 Engine: M42 1,8 136CP ![]() |
ce chestii complicate cand poti taia cutia si gata............
e super simplu am facut chestia asta in jumatate de ora si nu am avut nici o problema cu senzorii de cand i-am montat ????!!!???? intradevar este o improvizatie dar ..da rezultate f. bune |
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
uite-i :paranoid:
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
sunt la fel :unibrow:
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
schimbi mufele, daca nu sunt puse bine nu porneste
Robert, mai ai ceva documentatie cu privire la senzori? Teoretic nu ar trebui sa conteze unde montez senzorul de turatia, nu? iar pe cel de referinta daca ii schimb si pozitia pinului care este in plus pot sa-l pun si pe el oriunde, nu? nu-mi dau seama care e treaba cu cel de referinta, cand este motorul la semn trebuie sa fie in dreptul senzorului? -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
Sa revenim la ale noastre
Am mai aflat cate ceva : Senzorul de referinta citeste intreadevar PMS cum ziceam mai sus, o sa montez senzorii pe cutie si dupa aia cu motorul la PMS atasez un dinte de otel volantei in dreptul senzorului de referinta. Senzorul de turatie citeste de pe coroana care are din 10 in 10 dinti unul de otel :retard: asta mi se pare aberatie :paranoid: -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
am facut eu ceva
sa vad maine daca porneste :paranoid: -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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up
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82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 825 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 25 ![]() |
Deci, ai pornit-o?
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
deci nu
cred ca s-au stricat senzorii ![]() -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
"Speed and position sensors
Check 1 Locate the two electrical connectors for the sensors (see illustrations). The grey connector is for the position sensor, and the white connector is for the speed sensor. 2 Using an ohmmeter, check the resistance between terminal 1 (yellow wire) and terminal 2 (black wire) on the sensor side of each connector. The resistance should be 860 to 1,060 ohms. 3 Also check the resistance between terminal 3 and either terminal 1 or terminal 2. The resistance should be approximately 100 000 ohms. 4 If the reading(s) are incorrect, renew the sensor(s)." Astra scrie in manualul de reparatie "BMW 3- & 5-Series Service and Repair Manual" de la Haynes. Un senzor are 1024 ohmi intre terminalul 1 si 2 si intre 2 si 3 sau 1 si 3 nimic iar celalalt nu are nici o rezistenta -------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
am masurat senzorii de la un 3.5 care porneste si ambii senzori imi dau valoarea intre terminalul 1 si terminal 2 intre 860 si 1,060 ohmi iar intre 1 si 3 sau 2 si 3 nimic. Asta inseamna ca doar un senzor e stricat, am gasit si volanta pt ea, care are pinul in plus pt senzorul de pozitie/referinta la 1 milion dar cum trebuie sa dau cutia jos, sa mai mesteresc la bucata aia pe care am pus eu senzorii pentru ca unghiul nu este perfect ....... imi pun motronic 1.3 :unibrow:
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
am luat instalatia completa acum mai am nevoie de suportul pe care se monteaza senzorul in fata la fulie, fulia si un ecu
-------------------- BMW E21 323i 2.3l K-Jetronic, 17" Alpina
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![]() 82% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 18 Car: E21 Engine: M20 2.3 143CP ![]() |
hai ma ca pana la urma am pornit-o si merge
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![]() 18% BMW corupt ![]() Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 19-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 34 ![]() |
IN SFARSIT
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![]() 100% BMW corupt ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Insiders Posts: 1,723 Joined: 19-October 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 29 Car: BMW E46 318I 2002 Engine: N42 2.0 143CP ![]() |
bravo...
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